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  1. m3tabar0n

    In the new editor (backend) and in the twenty nineteen theme (frontend), the small gallery preview images are actually loaded in the full size versions.
    And why has the new theme also fullscreen featured images? I would like to see focus on actual content and sidebar widgets.
    Sad!

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  2. Eric Brandon

    Hey Matt and the team, if you’re reading this, thank you for making a giant obvious link to click for people who are curious how to dial back.

    I’m not being sarcastic. It’s one of the first things you see, and then goes down the page to a big button to let you go right to installing the Classic Editor from the back end.

    I don’t always have access to my clients’ administrative areas to keep things from auto-updating, and many people (in my nine years of doing this) happily and confidently feel more self-sufficient pushing through core upgrades on their own regardless of what gets said to them, so this either lets them also be self-sufficient by putting up a safeguard, or at least gives a point of reference when they have questions why something exploded (“That first screen that came up? There was a link there.”)

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  3. Thiago

    “…it will be interesting to see what the reactions are from users who experience it for the first time.”

    We already know the answer: it has been the worst possible. For the average user, writing in the new editor has been impossible; it has fewer features in writing and is not intuitive.

    As some one said (https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wordpress-gutenberg.html):

    “Gutenberg is most likely an almost knee-jerk response to the threat of the mobile adversaries and a few other competitors that offer simplified backend interfaces. However, the paradox in this solution is that it alienates almost its entire user base of mostly diehard professionals who create websites, and in their place, it attracts the rabble of casual ‘bloggers’ who just wanna show the world how inspired and empowered they are.”

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    • Eric Brandon

      I am super curious about what the last two phases are, though. The first two seem like playing catch-up to other platforms, except I was not aware of that drastic of a desire to change (doesn’t mean there wasn’t one, just that I managed not to hear about it)…and also, it’s not as good as what’s already out there that it’s trying to mimick.

      I’ve used it when it was a plugin maybe four or five times and I just did the real-live full update and tried to put a picture right-aligned to my paragraph. I was able to do it in less than a minute, but the way I do things in Classic takes four.

      Granted, I had to be taught that at one time, too, or learn it myself. But back then it was “click the image, then click the align button.” Then I remembered it forever and it always took four seconds.

      With Gutenberg, even though I know how to do it now, it’s twice as long to do as it needs to be, and I don’t want to because it takes me out of the whole experience. Classic was the speed of thought, uninhibited. This madness is like those technical manuals you see translated something from another language and then back to English word for word.

      They ask for feedback, like “Well, what would you do differently then? How can me make it easier?” But “going backward” isn’t an acceptable answer because there’s a “vision” going on.

      This is my job, so I’ll support WP till the sun explodes, but when it comes to making my own site I’d rather build it from scratch than deal with something that is still a drag to use even when it works properly and you know what you’re doing.

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    • Peter

      However, the paradox in this solution is that it alienates almost its entire user base of mostly diehard professionals who create websites, and in their place, it attracts the rabble of casual ‘bloggers’ who just wanna show the world how inspired and empowered they are.

      Could not agree more!

      I mean i am getting used how to handle GB (sure it is not as easy as they imagined it). Of course there are bugs/issues that can be addressed hopefully in the very near future. There are some design needs that are not even covered right now by GB (make just the background-color full width without changing the width of the actual content). Am sure there will be many plugins the more you install of them you will end up having several image, container, etc blocks so you will need a solution to administer them and keep only that blocks that work best. Am sure all these will just happen and everything will settle down.

      However there is one thing that can not be changed and really annoys me:
      You as admin/site developer lose your ability to control CSS in a centralized way. Would a client just do fancy things with each block maybe even adding some css classes to them… it will be a nightmare to troubleshoot.

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    • Miroslav Glavic

      what do you mean by average user? Have you asked billions of people?

      I know most of my clients are ok, by the way, I asked over a thousand people to try.

      about 120 haven’t replied yet (time zone issue).

      I, gave all my clients a clone of their sites, in my server to test it out with the same theme and plugins that their company’s sites have and I asked them if they would be open to ALL their staff try things. They said yes and voila.

      Any time there is change, people have to adapt to the new way to do things.

      I created a .pdf for all my clients, a manual.

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  4. Iftekhar

    All I can tell you is… I am pissed… for the love of God they should just dump the Garbageberg thingy. Seriously..

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    • Dusty Hope

      I disagree, though still has a long way to go to all bells and whistles where we are in classic, its a great start to a new cleaner much more modern editor.

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  5. Zamir Ahmad

    Well its may be not newbie friendly, but everybody gone love live editing environment with the passage of time. Because already many people uses visual editor while creating posts.
    May it needs some fixes but with the time these aftershocks are gone pass.

    Regards

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  6. Andreas Lopez

    Where to Get Help Using the New Editor
    For new users, the editor might be an intuitive experience but for many WordPress veterans, it introduces a steep learning curve. After all, the previous editor has existed for more than 10 years.

    At the moment, there is a Gutenberg handbook for Developers and Contributors but not for Users. Work is underway by the Docs team and other volunteer contributors to put together an initial document to release in 2019.

    Until the official handbook is published, you’ll need to seek help and education elsewhere.

    What? So not only is Gutenberg illegal to use in an entire country of the modern civilization due to accessibility issues – but there is not even a Codex entry or any sort of field guide for Gutenberg for the one group of people it was made? The end-user?

    This release is far too premature and to fix the backlash will be enormous. No wonder Automattic & WordPress didn’t make it higher up on the THE FORRESTER WAVE™: WEB CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, Q4 2018 Report.

    No Accessibility.
    No User Guide / Manual.
    No proper management.

    ‘This project is for the democracy of the open web.’ – If that would be so important, then you wouldn’t carve individuals out if this was truly about democracy.

    It’s like saying ‘everyone gets to vote’ but you do not install wheelchair ramps in the election buildings, do not allow for absentee ballots and do not supply voters with sample ballots.

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  7. Ashish Verma

    Updated three of my sites as soon as 5.0 was out. Not a developer, not a techie and all three of my sites working fine. All those who have been crying hoarse will continue in the same spirit and guide their clients wrongly. Eventually the clients will discover for themselves and move on leaving the critics behind. Moving along with the time is important. Best of luck to all of you with negative views. Living with negativity is not a good idea!

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  8. MarkJ (ISPreview)

    It’s not a very intuitive new editor at all. I find it cumbersome, things I did before that only needed a single click now require a whole process of moves and clicks. Everything seems to be hidden beneath hidden UI layers, which take longer to discover and understand. The default view is very narrow. If I select a featured image for my article it doesn’t show it on the editor anymore.

    On the whole I don’t get it, the whole thing seems to make my daily tasks more laborious than before rather than simpler or faster. Naturally I’ve gone back to the Classic Editor, which does everything perfect from a single interface and without be having to click-open-move-click-click-move-click to do the same in Gutenberg.

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  9. Edwin Akpan

    I was excited when I read about Gutenberg (hope I got the spelling right) before its release. Now I have tested it and my excitement has gone from 100 to zero, literally.

    I just felt something was off about it. I later discovered what that thing was: the Classic editor is more streamlined, natural and intuitive.

    What will take you few steps to achieve in Classic Editor takes more steps to accomplish with Gutenberg.

    It was like fighting against nature, for me.

    My advice to Matt and his amazing squad: Retain Classic Editor as a core, not make it a legacy plugin. Then build Gutenberg to compete with the likes of Visual Composer, Gantry 5, and other page builders. Or wasn’t that the idea?

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  10. Terence

    Interesting choice of name.

    The first Bebo I remember launched in 2005 and enjoyed considerable success – in the beginning. At the time, Myspace was the most popular social network, although Bebo would eventually end up with more users.

    In many ways, Bebo was very similar to Facebook. Bebo was eventually sold to AOL for $850m in 2008. With a huge business like AOL backing them, how could it fail to be an even bigger success, right?

    However, the sale to AOL actually ended up coinciding with Bebo’s fall from grace. The main cause was the rise of Facebook which in 2009, grew enormously, and became the most popular social network, ever. Twitter too took yet more users away from Bebo, and as a result Bebo struggled.

    In 2010, AOL announced they were planning to sell the site and within three years, Bebo filed for bankruptcy. The AOL acquisition has subsequently been described as among the worst ever business deals ever seen.

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  11. Malcolm Bridgham

    I was going to say…”Gutenburg! The blogging software made only for developers” but it sounds to me even the developers aren’t too happy with it.

    My jaw dropped with the line – you will need to seek help and education elsewhere. One of the things that a customer looks for is vendor support and WP is just chumming the water with Gutenberg and throwing its users to the sharks.

    If I wanted a block centered page editor I would get a site on any number of other hosts.

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  12. Miroslav Glavic

    I see with Gutenberg that it will make it easier for average user to handle their websites and not need their “diehard professionals” / developers any longer. Those are the ones with issues.

    That industry will eventually die and the average user won’t need to pay $5,000 for a website.

    I see things going the drag-n-drop route.

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    • Guy Phillips

      It’s a good thing developers don’t pay attention to those who don’t really know anything about business or what a business needs.

      Business sites need more than just drag and drop.

      Those that run a few sites have no clue what a real business website needs or how to actually program it for them since all they know is “drag and drop” and actual web programming is beyond their grasp.

      Gutenberg or not, there will always be a need for business website developers.

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    • Mark Waterous

      Have you ever built or tried to manage a site on Squarespace?

      The design and development industry as a whole isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. It may migrate on occasion to other tools that are more appropriate to the task.

      For myself, I have been pushing to build more and more sites with GatsbyJS over WordPress for some time now, not because of Gutenberg, instead because most sites don’t need a behemoth of software to accomplish their goals. WordPress isn’t and shouldn’t be the answer to every problem. That’s just the perspective of myself and my tiny agency though, ymmv. I still enjoy working with WordPress and will continue to do so post-Gutenberg.

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  13. Dusty Hope

    Great start. Its been very exciting to watch as you develop Gutenberg into what ultimately promises to be a new world class block editor.

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  14. Anuta

    It’s like going to buy a new car and it has no engine in it or tires on it.

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  15. GPillai

    I was kinda excited about Gutenberg but after trying it out – not so much. Seems there is a steep learning curve to get things appearing exactly like they used to on loaded pages. The new interface seems to be slow and laggy. It also takes more clicks to get some things done. I guess Gutenberg would work great for new site developers who are learning from scratch, perhaps the Gutenberg interface is not intuitive, maybe I am not smart enough, maybe Gutenberg is a mistake. I don’t know, but for now, I hope WP maintains the classic editor plugin for a few years.

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  16. Richard L

    How many Gutenberg detractors are just complaining because they have less opportunity to nickel-and-dime their clients over every little content change, just because the masses don’t know HTML?

    Let’s be honest.. WordPress “agencies” are the new “SEO Consultants”, with many of them draining client budgets with low-value, overpriced work that offers little to no ROI. For the health and stability of the WordPress userbase, these low-performing website creators and techs need to go out of business before the WP ecosystem fully develops a reputation so poor as Fiverr.

    Today I updated, tested and validated a pool of 36 diverse client websites with a 100% success rate… It seems to me like people aren’t experiencing a breaking update, but rather a solid update breaking poorly-made sites full of bargain-basement plugins and held together with shoestrings.

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  17. Guido

    Thank you for this release notification, the included links to other relevant content are very useful.

    My own and client sites have been updated to 5.0 without issues. Existing content is placed in the “classic” block.

    Guess the only type of users who should have concerns, are the ones that are using a not-recently updated page builder plugin.

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  18. Imran Sayyad

    The waiting is over, my WordPress core is updated with Gutenberg block editor.

    I tested all the blocks. It took few minutes to get familiar.
    Initial release is sufficient but hope for the great future upgrades.

    I think block based editor should be provided at front end like on Medium. Still missing classic editor for the some features. Lots of plugin blocks yet to be published.

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  19. Tony Hayes

    It’s unfortunate the decision was made to force Gutenberg as the new default editor and create resistance, instead of rolling it out over time with smarter marketing, and giving more time for adoption and thus improving it from user feedback to build greater support, and give more time for developers also.
    On a similar front, I wanted to be able to more easily use one editor or the other depending on a site or client site’s needs, and I feel it really needed to allow users to “try it out” for some new posts but not for others.
    With those in mind I created a plugin that gives a wide range of options, plus add a button to switch between the editors, an approach it seems every page builder (except Gutenberg!) has recognized as fundamental…
    Guten Free Options
    I hope it both helps some people give Gutenberg a chance and thus more feedback to improve – if and when they find the desire to – while keeping their existing site setup unaffected.

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  20. Danny Brown

    I’m not a developer, but I do build my own sites, and some for friends and their referrals to me.

    I’ve used page builders before (heck, I was one of the first to adopt Headway back in the day), and currently use Divi for a few sites.

    Compared to these, Gutenberg is a clumsy, awkward UI that takes the pleasure away from tinkering with sites.

    And when it comes to simple content, it’s really bad. For something that used to take 10 minutes, you can easily triple or quadruple that amount of time, with all the forced hoops you have to now jump through.

    What a mess….

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  21. Kava Sey

    One thing is sure…Gutenberg is out there to frustrate lot of developers than making their life easier.

    It’s like being excited about the next big thing and then being disappointed at the first impression. The analogy is why on earth would someone enter into the world of cars late with a “motorbike” and claim that’s just the beginning just manage this while we build it up into a car.
    It would be better to ship a less featured 4 wheel car into the competition than a motorbike.

    Why did they decide to put it so tiny in the middle of the screen with space around enough to house 2 or 3 of the editor on a big screen? Am I missing something?

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  22. Anthony Hortin

    The Toolbar, which displays when hovering over a block, and the Inspector located in the right-hand sidebar.

    The Block Toolbar doesn’t display when you hover over a block. In fact, a lot of the time depending on where you click, it doesn’t even display like it’s supposed to when you click on a block. I’ve raised an issue for this weeks ago but they’re still yet to even comment on it.

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  23. Tracy Lee Hundley

    Pretty grim in here for a tavern. Let me just say that my first thought on hearing “Bebo” was of the mechanized owl in the original Clash Of The Titans – even the gods have occasional issues with technology.

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  24. Karl D Rhoads

    IT is interesting to me that Blocks are intended to be easier to use than the former way of using HTML, CSS, etc. Yet this new, easier way requires training. Hmm. Seems rather counter-intuitive. Plus, the new way takes longer and many more clicks to do what used to be done “the old-fashioned” way. Again, counter-intuitive. What’s wrong with this picture? Hmm?!?

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  25. Ant Ekşiler

    It ‘s a definitely a start, but it is lacking too much to replace any page builder. That’s why it will be dismissed by most users in the beginning.

    Hopefully in the coming years, they’ll improve on it.

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