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  1. Rod Olman
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    He didn’t touch on the horrible amount of 1-star reviews, how many 1-star reviews have been “archived” (because they were too true) and how all decisions regarding WordPress are taken behind closed doors.

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    • Matt Mullenweg
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      I’m not aware of any reviews being archived, certainly not to try and change the distribution of ratings. Today the Gutenberg plugin has 1,987 one-star reviews, and about 240k active installations. (Remember it was auto-deactivated with 5.0 so people had to manually re-activate it.) There are well north of 20,000,000 sites running Gutenberg now.

      I don’t give these numbers to say any of the one-star reviews are wrong. There is so much we have to fix with Gutenberg! If people want to give feedback with one-star reviews, or comments, or tweets, or anything, we welcome it in every format and medium and we’ll do our best to incorporate it into the roadmap of what we’re trying to fix and improve with the software.

      It will never be perfect, but I do think we can make it a lot better than it is today. I appreciate that people give it a fresh try every few months, and it’s very rewarding when folks (like Linda’s comment below) find that it’s evolved to suit their needs.

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      • Plugin Vulnerabilities

        Maybe you are not aware of it, but there is a huge problem with the moderation with the Support Forum. That includes deleting lots of things that shouldn’t have been deleted. Someone recently left a comment on our blog about having a review of a different plugin deleted twice because a constantly problematic moderator could not grasp that they were really intending to leave a review and not looking for support, despite explicitly stating that the second time. We have run across multiple instance of them deleting replies where people were just saying thank you.

        As for deleting Gutenberg reviews, there are multiple comments about that in a previous post on this website starting here.

        Considering that the person in charge of the moderation works for you, you could take action to improve situation.

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    • Salman Ravoof
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      Gutenberg attracts so much hate for understandable reasons. It’s new, unfinished, has bad UX for writing (personal experience), and a lot more things which are typical with any new update.

      But the criticism is way too overblown by the vocal haters. The Classic Editor plugin still exists for those who never want to look at Gutenberg.

      While researching for an article I’m writing, I counted more than 30 1-star reviews for the Gutenberg plugin in the past month alone. With no commentary whatsoever. Why would anyone even care about installing it separately only to diss it without any constructive criticism?

      WordPress is also licensed under GPL, which means forks like ClassicPress exist, which do the same.

      Currently, WP faces an existential threat from DIY locked-in platforms like Wix, Squarespace, Shopify, etc. Not to mention the social media giants who own all our data. All of our lives and experiences have now become a commodity in the hands of a select few corporations.

      Gutenberg seems like a solution to claim the power back. Its vision is perfectly aligned with WordPress’ original one, which is to democratize publishing on the web. It’s not there yet, but I think we all ought to give it a chance.

      I’m excited to see the future of WordPress powered by Gutenberg.

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  2. Bastian
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    When Gutenberg got merged last year in an alpha state at best, I predicted that it would take two or three WP releases to be really usable. Well, I’m using 5.3RC3 in one site and while the editor has come a long way from the 5.0 version, it’s still cumbersome to use. I’m worried because I’m starting to think that its “flaws” are structural and will never be “fixed”.

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  3. Linda Oyedepo
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    At first, I was struggling to cope with the new features of the Gutenberg block editor. But after like a year using it, I am loving it already. Block editor is the way.

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  4. Lenin Zapata
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    Gutenberg esGutenberg is great! Little by little he has surpassed his expectations, but I think it will take many more years to be more familiar, it is a complicated step that has a bright future. Soon I will start creating blogs and websites based on Gutenberg.

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  5. Sajan Kota
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    Hi Justin,

    Adding Gutenberg editor WordPress core is a big mistake. Its not ready(user experience) yet to included into the WordPress core. Its premature. It is very true that WordPress needs a better editor but i am very sure Gutenberg does not serve the purpose. Hope that Mullenweg and team would find a better alternative to Gutenberg.

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  6. Anh Tran
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    I started to use the block editor more and more, just because it’s the default editor. It’s not a true game changer for content editing experience for me. It’s just fine to replace the classic editor, since both work. By making it default, the block editor gains a lot of usage. And it also continues to be improved, which is good.

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  7. Dave Loodts
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    Indeed, 5.3 has quit nice improvements for Gutenberg. Although it would take another 3 to 5 versions to level the UX of (for example) Elementor.
    I can’t deny the fact that Gutenberg created a gap for Elementor to even grow faster. I work with a lot of (young) marketeers and DIY-website owners, they mostly all grab to Elementor for new websites.
    (so, yes WP is already an operating system… for Elementor)

    Okay, you can use ‘blocks’ (just another other word for plugins).
    And there’s the upcoming block directory…

    But what about block durability or higher risk on potential abandonned plugins/blocks?
    What about loading times?
    What does the plugin/block really do/load?

    Cause we all call them ‘blocks’; but they are just plugins. And most of them will have an impact on frontend. (js, css).
    And we all learned not to install too much plugins, right.
    But for blocks; it seems no issue.

    Those are the questions i have in this momentum building new custom sites. I’m not that keen relying too much on third parties blocks, i prefer to rely on core to create durable sites for my customers.

    That’s why i hope the development speeds up like 3x faster for core.

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  8. jamie marsland
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    We train beginners in WordPress (a lot of beginners) and what they are able to achieve with the new block editor vs the old classic editor is incredible in a short space of time. They really love it.

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  9. Andrew Beeken
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    As a content creator I’ve loved using Gutenberg on WP.com as it totally streamlines the process of putting together a post or a page, however I was very reluctant to use it as a developer as it’s disrupted a lot of the plugins I’m working on and forced me to use the classic editor in many of my projects for compatibility.

    HOWEVER, having spent some time looking at Gutenberg from a development standpoint and how the block approach can allow for plugins to integrate far easier into the process, especially if said plugin uses a lot of shortcodes, then I can totally see why this is the best way forwards.

    As someone who’s worked with non technical people to help them build content for sites, shortcodes are a bit of a bane. Sure, for people who understand how to structure code and markup, they can be great and easy to understand, but they’ve also caused me way too many headaches when put into the hands of people who just want an easy way to do something.

    I’m currently planning on converting one of my plugins to a Gutenblock and very much looking forward to the benefits it will provide.

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  10. Gustavo Rodrigues da Silva
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    I follow the block editor from the beginning. I used a little at first but gave up because in fact the usability was very bad, which greatly impaired productivity.
    Today I use the block editor daily on many sites and I already find it much better for creating richer and more interesting posts in a simple way.

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    • Josh
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      I spent a large proportion of this year learning Drupal, so I am used to the notion of blocks.
      Yes, I kinda do prefer the old editor, however, it is new and provides a more modern approach to development, so I am up for keeping Gutenberg.
      There are some block plugins available too. Response blocks are most definitely the future.

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  11. Nick Hamze
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    I wish there were more people making blocks. I don’t think Gutenberg will truly gain acceptance until people start making blocks that do things that aren’t possible with anything else.

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  12. Seth Goldstein
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    I really think it’s the people who know what the old way of doing things was, who are having issues with Gutenberg.

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  13. Gary Taylor
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    Languages and WordPress/Gutenberg… hm…

    Let’s say I’m writing a post about Luis Buñuel. You can’t write Buñuel in a standard paragraph block (unless you happen to know the code for it), you have to use a Classic block. Except, you can’t transform a Paragraph block into a Classic block. So you have to copy all of your text into a new block from scratch, in order to render one character correctly.

    You also can’t write Luis Buñuel as a caption to an image. You can do Strikethrough though. Which is nice. I wonder if there’s a stat somewhere to show that strikethrough is more popular than diacriticals etc…

    If your language alphabet contains anything other than the English standard 26 letters, you’re stuffed. Yes, I could type it in something useful (such as Word) and paste it in; but then, what’s the point of distraction-free writing, typewriter mode and all the other composition gimmicks? I can have domain names in non-Latin characters but not my own content? In 2019?

    WordPress does support one other language by default though: you can convert smilies to emoji. Marvellous.

    I really want to like Gutenberg, I type everything new now using it and I’m quite used to it… but until it can accurately render the language *of* Gutenberg, using it is frequently an exercise in frustration.

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    • Miguel Fonseca
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      Hello. Could you expand on your experience? I ask because this is deeply unexpected and I would like to see how I can help.

      Gutenberg does support multilingual character input, to the extent of the Unicode set, and has done so from the start. The majority of Gutenberg’s active contributors have a mothertongue that isn’t English, and regularly compose posts using anything from accented Latin scripts (Portuguese, Spanish, French, Polish, etc.) to non-Latin scripts (Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, etc.).

      Could I ask you to provide the following information? You may reply here, or file an issue (https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues), or message me directly in the WordPress Slack (https://make.wordpress.org/chat/), where my username is mcsf.

      – Exact version of WordPress
      – Exact version of the Gutenberg plugin, if any
      – Browser and operating system versions
      – Type of physical keyboard and configured layout
      – Exact instructions on reproducing the issue
      – (strongly recommended) A screencast in which you reproduce the issue. In case you are unfamiliar with this process, there are many tools and guides. See: https://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Screencast

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    • Kavya
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      What browser and OS combination are you using?

      On GNOME based Linux systems, I can hold Compose, press ~ and then n, to type “ñ” of Buñuel in the paragraph block, as well as in the Image caption, and it saves and renders properly. In Mac OS, you can probably press Option + n to do this. Windows has a character map to copy it from.

      Providing ways to type characters is not the editor’s responsibility, it’s the responsibility of your operating system’s input method to provide this, and most mainstream ones do.

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      • Miguel Fonseca

        Providing ways to type characters is not the editor’s responsibility, it’s the responsibility of your operating system’s input method to provide this, and most mainstream ones do.

        It occurred to me that perhaps Gary Taylor was alluding to the Character Map option offered in the classic editor. If so, Gary, then there are a few plugins that provide that exact functionality — I have personally tested and enjoyed the following:

        https://wordpress.org/plugins/insert-special-characters/

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      • Gary Taylor

        @Miguel – yes, that was it. I’ll look at that plugin, but…

        @Kavya – while I take your point (and it’s the way WordPress is going, plugins for everything), it’s a reduction in functionality from what we had before.

        “If you’re an occasional users of accented characters, where would you look for them?” is the question I would ask here. I don’t know the Windows 10 keystrokes. I know there’s a Character Map accessory somewhere, but most of the people I know wouldn’t know about it (although they use PCs daily).

        And, even knowing that I can use the Classic Block for accented characters, I still have to create a whole new block – I can’t convert/transform my Paragraph Block by using the option in the top-left corner.

        I’m not against Gutenberg – I typed a whole post using it last week, instead of copying and pasting from Word – but WordPress as a whole becomes less useful if it requires specialist knowledge to use the way you want it to. I think so, anyway ;-)

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    • Li-An
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      Hello, very strange as french users do not have any problem with special characters.

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    • Otto
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      Gary, it seems like you’re using Windows 10? If so, try something like the methods given here: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/how-do-i-get-accented-characters-in-windows-10/39ddbef2-e67f-40ad-ae19-091858ce5a8b

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      • Gary Taylor

        Thanks for that link Otto. I’ve also had a look at the plugin Miguel suggested above (which I’ve hacked about with to remove the more Dingbat-style entities. I still think it could be easier – but there are, at least, solutions.

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  14. Dan neumann
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    I was also one of the skeptics when the Gutenberg project was started, but after it was officially launched with 5.0 and I started to familiarize myself with it, I have found it has grown on me.

    One thing that concerned me about the next steps section was no mention of accessibility. I am being asked about this by clients more and more and think this needs to have a high priority on the WP agenda.

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  15. Juanma Aranda
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    It is clear that the only objective of Matt (Automatic) is that the Community continues to create, improve and test Gutemberg, so that WP-com can compete and snatch customers from other accommodations such as Wix, 1 and 1 … and all that already They use other visual constructors.

    I always thought that Gutemberg should have been an alternative (a complement) and not imposed on all users. But it was the only way to implement it in the kernel within WP-com. It has gone above the opinion of miles of users who are integrated against integrating Gutenberg into the core.

    I think Matt uses the community to have a cheap workforce in the development and testing of Gutenberg. But it belittles the opinion of the Community when important decisions have to be made.

    For him, WordPress is his business and specific look for him, not for the community.

    He has not made any reference, for example, things that can be integrated within the WordPress core related to the GDPR and the cookie policy. Things we have to add through third-party add-ons and that, we could come as standard. This aspect does not create business and, therefore, is not so interested in its development.

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  16. Lucy Tedesco
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    I agree with other comments … the wordpress business wants to bill more and more by imposing on the users that should be alternatives

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