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  1. John Teague

    Beaver Builder is one of the few page builders I’ve recommended. I’m sure it will continue to be a good alternative for certain use cases. Nice article.

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  2. Jeremiah Stillings

    Neat having those device responsive units is key going forward for all builders glad to see they made the jump.

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  3. Anh Tran

    Beaver Builder is the tool we choose for our websites. It works great and stable. I’m very excited to see deeper integration between Beaver Builder and Gutenberg in the future.

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  4. Robby

    That turned out great! Thanks a ton for the opportunity to share some thoughts.

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  5. burak

    I like and use beaver builder .

    And i hope they don’t stop supporting wp sites with classic editor for a long time.

    Because i think like many wp lovers, gutenberg thing is not the future of wordpress , and should not be.

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  6. Chidi Anagonye

    I used to really dig Beaver Builder. I feel squarely into the camp of “I can do it myself but my people I build for want an easy way to do things without touching HTML.”

    Wasn’t a hard sell to show them the two minutes it takes to, say, put two images side by side.

    It started out great, and then there were a couple weird bugs that were related to things like false positives for security; modsec hiccups on shared hosting when trying to add a video. No biggie, couldn’t find any info on it but it was early days and they explained the issue great. After more people ran into it, though, it lingered for a really long time.

    Then, weird stuff would happen, even on clean installs. Page editor wouldn’t load, people would be locked out of access based on user roles when either nothing was prohibited or the setting was accurate and shouldn’t have allowed for it. Paid support would be three and five days between, and when you’d get an answer, it would be something that almost sounded like it willfully ignored or misunderstood what you said (it wasn’t the case but it came across like that), maybe wrote a sentence or two, and then off to the races again to hurry up and wait. Then, there’s the collection of evidence, logs, sharing username/password (or making one), reproducing the problem, and on 60% of occasions, just…dropping the thread. Leaving it be. Not responding to further inquiries.

    I remember when it seemed like every couple months or every month even there would be updates, amazing great new features (I think it’s still that way) and I was so impressed by getting to keep the same thing for the same money you paid except it just improved while you had a subscription. Everyone there believes in the product and everyone there seems to work really hard.

    So I peeked a few weeks ago, to see where they were at. Must be leaps and bounds, there were even big rewrites and the second major version was a huge improvement over the first, which was not bad at all.

    Instead, I saw teasing at stuff that other page builders were doing when they first came out a few years ago. I saw theme building for one site offered at a higher price than unlimitedsite/dev/pro licenses for other builders. Then, the capper, someone was a bit of a prat in the comments of a blog article and a “bot” scolded the person on their behalf. Not a human being going, “Hey, sorry you had a bad experience, but that was uncalled for, we’re just trying to help, please refrain for that so we can have a civil discussion and get you some help/answers/solve things.” No, like a cartoon mascot, hiding behind a veil, a post about hurt feelings, like a kid raised on the internet who didn’t learn about human social interaction or basic life experience.

    Really rubbed me the wrong way. Almost creeped me out.

    Beaver Builder is the reason I know flexbox. Beaver Builder hit the ground running, right out of the gate, offering a means for a dev and mod community. I am 95% they have all English as a first language support, at least in terms of written language. They are good and talented people, and the whole point of this is showing that they’re open to change and accomodating. But it feels…lost…lagging behind. Stagnant is the wrong word but…in need of an injection of life? I hope they can turn things around because we all benefit from the competition. Perhaps this visibility and endorsement will give them the means to do that.

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  7. Ryan Hellyer

    I think a better way to serve “power users” would be to build new tools on top of Gutenberg.

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    • Mike

      Agreed. I’ve used a bunch of page builders and own licenses to two of them. Yet, after playing around with Gutenberg and some really useful block plugins, I’ve been able to do many things with Gutenberg alone that I could previously only do with page builders.

      Gutenberg has potential.

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  8. Carrie

    We’re power users with several 100 WordPress business sites we’ve built and manage.

    Gutenberg is useless and worthless for us and our clients, and I would image anyone else that has the amount business we have.

    We’re moving all of our Woocommerce sites away from WordPress because of Gutenberg and not trusting WordPress anymore. It’s a lot of work for us, but we’re not going to let our clients down because of someone else failures.

    Sad to say after relying on WordPress for so many years it looks like we’re going to have to abandon it, as many more are doing it.

    Make it a stand along plugin and the ratings would probably increase dramatically.

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    • Roberto Porcar

      where are you moving to?

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    • Robert

      How do you move WooCommerce off of WordPress?

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    • Ryan Smith

      You are moving 100 sites completely off wordpress instead of installing the classic editor plugin? I don’t believe you.

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      • carrie

        Correct. We’re in the process of moving all of our Woodcommerce sites off WordPress. As far as the Classic Editor, we have it installed, and according to what we’re reading, it too will be gone in 2 years. We’re a large business and got started in 1999. We’ve seen a lot of messes over the years but nothing as bad as Gutenberg. Because we had Gutenberg, more or less, shoved down our throats, we don’t trust WordPress anymore and we’re doing what’s called preventative maintenance, keeping things running smothly with our clients before we get something else thrown at us. Our clients come first, not WordPress and Gutenberg, and there are other solutions that work for us where Gutenberg has failed us. Sorry your don’t belive me, everyone has their own opinion and you have yours. It’s useless to us trying to build business and corporate websites and manage them with Gutenbeg. I do wish you the best if you’re a lover of Gutenberg and hope it satisfies your needs to the highest of your developer needs, it you are a developer.

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      • Mike

        Seems a bit of an overreaction, but I wish you luck!

        You do know that the Disable Gutenberg plugin (and others like it) will continue to be supported indefinitely, I’m sure. Plus, as happened with the Customizer (remember the fuss over that?) this will likely sort itself out.

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      • Nyssa The Hobbit

        People keep saying “Remember the fuss over Customizer?”

        I don’t, but I still hate Customizer. Hangs up and/or doesn’t show the changes half the time.

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  9. doug

    WordPress 5.0 one gigantic leap backwards.
    Used previous versions for years, unless they fix it soon I’ll also be looking for an alternative very soon.

    I use a lot of shortcodes to add custom apps. Blocks – well what can I say !

    Awful !!!

    Not managed to get a single custom block to work. Its the rise and the fall of the Roman Empire

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  10. Franci Hoffman

    Gutenberg, I tried it and found it fairly simple to understand.

    However, my WordPress experience became a task, selecting and moving blocks rather than writing poetry and articles.

    Gutenberg is cumbersome! There must be something better.

    Thanks for listening.

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    • Mike

      I agree. Gutenberg can be cumbersome for writing. You can use the Disable Gutenberg plugin to disable the Gutenberg editor selectively. For example, you can disable it only on posts, which would prioritize simplicity over block arrangement.

      Alternately, you can just use the Classic Editor block for posts. But I’d just install Disable Gutenberg and set it so that posts use the Classic Editor and pages use Gutenberg.

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  11. Phillip

    I find this kind of thread very interesting. Responses seem to be in 2 camps: 1. We like Gutenberg and can use great plugins and see potential; and 2. We hate Gutenberg and will stop using WP or try to alleviate any Gute issues for our users etc..

    My position is that our WP usage falls into 2 camps also, but in another context, but one camp is totally outweighed by the other. Firstly our use of WP whether via BB, Elementor or Gute is OUR use (ie. internal use as an agency) where we are working on client sites from site map through to release using our preferred PB. The 2nd use is purportedly so clients ‘can edit their own websites easily’ and therefore we should use the best Gute or Page Builder solution for that.

    In all the years we have worked with WP (around 7), we have had only 2 clients who actually edit their own content in any meaningful way. 2 (Two)! That’s out of around 120 clients over 7 years. So in that sense, for us anyway, any conversation around Gute and Page Builders is only relevant for us as an agency and what serves us best. The ‘client can edit their own website more easily’ argument is theoretical for us now, rather than practical.

    I know this isn’t the main theme of this thread but thought I would throw this in as small part of the discussion.

    cheers all

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