1. Jacob Santos

    1) Just because you have a code of conduct for the community doesn’t mean everyone or even most people are going to read it or know about it. Furthermore, segregating developers or contributors because they’re a jerk doesn’t much improve situations. Well, there are different level of being a jerk. Changing ones personality or priority of code of conduct is difficult and most likely will get into more arguments over how one should attack and go off from the base points.

    2) I don’t know how Jane expects to get more women to contribute to core of WordPress. There are only so many women who program in PHP overall, so in order to get that number up, you either need to persuade women who are contributing on other projects to come to contribute for WordPress, get women to spend their time from chores, managing households, etc to work instead on WordPress (I guess the man could get off his ass and do some of it), or train more women to be PHP programmers and give them an incentive to work on WordPress.

    I think the problem is also of money, why do people expect that everyone is willing to work on a project that gives them no monetary reward for doing so. Only a small percentage of programmers are willing to work on WordPress and even then not for long. If you have someone work on WordPress for more than a year then they have commitment. I think I only contributed for 2 years before I started to think about all of the other projects I put off during those two years. A few of them that once completed could earn some money.


  2. Jake Goldman

    Curious about the specifics of custom post type support. The basic nuts and bolts are already in 2.9, with a big emphasis on “basic”. Since I doubt the 100% solution will be in 3.0, I’d like to know what new aspects, exactly, are going to be incorporated. Need to read up on the latest discussions I guess!


  3. donnacha | WordSkill

    25% of computer science graduates in the U.S. are women. However, only 22% are women now.

    What? Did that 3% have an operation?


  4. Andrea_R

    @Jacob Santos

    #1 -with an official code of conduct in place though, it will help people feel as they they *shouldn’t* tolerate nasty behavior. Right now, everyone puts up with it. If I start being “a mom” to jerks in the forum, reminding them to play nice, if there’s an official stance to point people to, it’s a whole lot better.

    #2 – this is directly related to #1. It’s not like there aren’t women out there programming in php, because they are. It’s just they aren’t contributing back to the core of WP. That was Jane’s point. Let’s make it easier for everyone to feel welcome, how about that?

    As to the money part, few people realize how making a name for yourself in the community can lead you to an income. no, it’s not direct. But the benefits are there.

    @Donnacha – LOL, nice catch. :D
    (actually, the drop probably corresponds to those women dropping out to have children.)


  5. Jeffro

    @donnacha | WordSkill – I’ve fixed that sentence to reflect what Jane actually said after listening to it again 4 times in a row :)


  6. Conorp

    Here are the slides from Janes presentation:


  7. Michael Torbert

    On the code of conduct… what are we talking about? wordpress.org forums? I heard her talk about this in bits and pieces (the audio wasn’t very good so I couldn’t make out most of it) but I had no idea what she was talking about.

    As for her five theme authors, she got one yesterday I believe. :)


  8. Lars Tong Strömberg

    I am quite amazed only 1% are women actually…

    There is really a job here for everyone in the whole IT community to make women feel more involved in development. I am even more surprised about women (at least in Sweden) are very much involved in using blogging tools such as WordPress. How come they are not interested in developing them then?


  9. Andreas Nurbo

    Code of conduct: If people can’t play nice by themselves a code of conduct wont help. There are a few not very friendly people even moderators currently active in the wp.org forum at the moment I can’t see them being friendly just because there is a code of conduct. Will unfriendly but higher ups be kicked out if they break the rules?
    Personally I go by the age old “treat others as you want to be treated yourself”. Don’t think anyone wants to be called stupid.

    Feminism The whole women thing is ridiculous. If women want to code wordpress let them. No need really to try to get more of them. Not everything needs to be a 50/50 project. Personally I’m kind of sick of such projects really. They are mostly political in nature. Never do you here “We need to get more female garbagemen or dishwashers”.

    Core The core stuff is just bad.
    improve wp.org More social tools etc on wp.org is welcomed and a great improvement perhaps.


  10. donnacha | WordSkill

    @Andreas Nurbo

    The whole women thing is ridiculous.

    You’ll feel differently once your balls drop ;)


  11. Michael Torbert


    You’ll feel differently once your balls drop ;)

    Code of Conduct!


  12. donnacha | WordSkill

    @Michael Torbert

    Code of Conduct!

    Damn! Now I’m going to have to become a Movable Type user! :(


  13. Jane Wells

    @donnacha | WordSkill – Basically, the number of women graduating with degrees in computer science is decreasing. The stat is just a stat though. We all know that *many* people working in web programming don’t have computer science degrees, so stats can only tell a small part of the story.


  14. donnacha | WordSkill

    @Jane Wells – I guess that makes sense although, obviously, I am somewhat disappointed that there isn’t a more ominous explanation, such as that an over-exposure to monitor glare, Wi-Fi waves and O’Reilly books is slowing transforming the nation’s female CS grads into highly confused males.

    I have heard that 83% of Perl programmers are hermaphrodites … although there is a possibility that this may not true. I mean, I haven’t conducted any checks or anything.


  15. Jacob Santos

    On the topic of attempting to get more women, then good luck. What I tried to say and I left it out and went off on a tangent is that PHP community is trying to do this as well for the PHP engine as well. There are many women who are programmers and only so many of them. Majority of programmers are men, just how it is. Read what the PHP Engine developers and community has to say about this and try to get involved with them first and see how they were able to succeed or why the failed (as a guy, a female only zone is something I respect and dutifully ignore completely as it has nothing to do with me, as a man).

    I don’t see it as the male programmers being biased or insulting towards female programmers. In fact, I would be happy to see more of them, because they are such a rarity. I think that when you have them, they either feel as if they shouldn’t tell anyone they are female because of the harassment from male programmers at the novelty (who damn near ruin it for the rest of us) or because of the feeling that they might be required to “prove” themselves to their male counterparts.

    That and the real world effects it as well. Women are still expected to hold the fort and is referenced by a few (well, accurately only one woman in the PHP community) of the women in the amount of time they have available to contribute to any community.

    Again I went off on a tangent. There is already a movement in the PHP core community that can be drawn from in order for research and having an example for how to start. Learning from those that have already tried is a good way to start. All I have to say is that I wouldn’t mind seeing more female programmers in a completely creepy way if you will, but not that creepy.


  16. Syed Balkhi

    I was actually there to hear that. Can’t wait to see more females in the progrmaming industry. There are a lot of designers and consultants but I guess that’s not the same.

    I can’t wait for the core plugins specially for twitter. Hope they use RSS parsing rather than using Search API because search API is useless for the most part because of the limitation.

    By the way Jeff, I gave a mini presentation about WordPress Security there – http://slideshare.net/wpbeginner

    You can find it there if you want. I was hoping that you would be there. But again I won’t be at Boston WordCamp. I think I saw you are speaking, so make sure you send me ur slides on twitter ;)


  17. John (Human3rror)

    did you happen to follow my tweets?



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