1. Jane Wells

    There will be some guidelines, but not as extensive or as stringent as for WordCamps. It will basically boil down to budget transparency, ensuring equal opportunity for members to plan events, and, “Don’t be a scammer or a jerk.” Waiting to see if anything surprising gets reported by current and hopeful organizers in the survey, but so far it looks like those should cover the problems we’ve heard about. Before we get to the point of doing the official opt-in, I’ll publish the expectations/guidelines, but the above are about what I’m expecting.


  2. Anonymouse

    WordCamp guidelines went from free and easy to surprisingly aggressive and implemented in a rude and prescriptive manner. Jane, you got your way, but no way on earth would I put my local WP group under this banner, generous though the offer is. I hate getting involved in political arguments so it’s easier to just keep away from the foundation entirely.

    Until the foundation ceases to be a dictatorship for life then I’m afraid I, like many others, will continue to be wary of it and its motives.


  3. Chris Wallace

    I would have zero interest in handing over any amount of control of my Meetup group to the WordPress Foundation. It sounds nice in theory, but under the surface, it mainly looks like they’re trying to control these Meetups just like they control WordCamps.


  4. Ansel Taft

    Wow, Chris, what a surprising comment. I’d hate to see what you’d do with an actual gift horse.


  5. Jane Wells

    @Anonymouse – If I “got my way” I’d be running a bakery now and someone else would be the punching bag. The bakery’s website would be on WordPress, of course! :)


  6. alex

    I help organize a meetup in Pasadena and I, for one, think this is a good idea. We’ll have to see what the guidelines are, but I can’t imagine this being a big deal for people who donate their time and coin to give back to the community by providing a space to share ideas.
    Anyone running for-profit meetups might prove to be a different story, but let’s see what comes of this.


  7. Ted Clayton

    I was going to pass on this post, since I am not involved with WordPress Meetup.

    In her announcement, Ms. Wells gives a clear-enough peek at the Meetup future;

    Over time, we’ll be talking to organizers and looking at what other expenses we can absorb and what other support we can provide to local groups. For now, we’re starting with the organizer dues.

    With the “WordPress” moniker for the subdomain name on Meetup, how was this ever NOT going to be brand-compliant with the front office?

    The vast, overwhelming part of the greater overall WordPress community & ‘world’, consists of a pristine Great Unwashed. Statistically, hardly any WP-users are actually involved with anything even semi-quasi-officially WordPress.

    WordPress ‘horns in’ on a mere microscopic slice of the WordPress scene. Partly, it would be too big a job, to go Borg on it. Partly it really ‘works’, to let it be organic. Like compost … which is the base of the whole Biosphere. Humble, but effective.

    Those who want/prefer to be independent … join the crowd. Easily 99.99% of us are, have been, and will remain so.

    Anything branded as “WordPress” has to be kept on-message, and that message has to be centrally-managed.

    The real action is on the outside.


  8. Jan Rossi

    I filled out the survey and hope that I am considered to be a possible Meetup.com WordPress organizer. I was considering having my own meetup group for the last two months and ended up helping another marketing group instead because their meetup organizer was pretty burned out. It takes a lot of time and effort to keep these groups going.

    I have no problem working with the folks at WordPress and they have every right to ensure their brand is being used correctly and with the right “esprit de corps”. In the past all of our marketing meetings with “WordPress” in the title received major attendance.

    There is great need for sharing tips, strategies, practices and ideas concerning WordPress. Rules are needed to make sure we are all on the same page.

    Our community needs this type of group. – Jan


  9. Anonymouse

    Jane – why do you feel like a punching bag?

    I ask out of genuine concern and a reality that some people can feel like they’re being got at when they’re trying to do something to please multiple needs.

    And maybe that’s it – you need to please your employers, and you need to please your community. That’s really really tricky – especially if you can’t encourage the change that would make the community happy. Like I’ve said for years and years, WordPress needs to be run like a community project. That means really dull things like committees, organisation and votes. Without them it’ll always feel like you telling everybody what to do – and that can’t be great for you or for others.

    I love WordPress. I love what you, Matt, and countless others have done for it and for our work. Perhaps in future it’ll be even more amazing – just try and find a way to include the really strong actors in the community. Already I’ve sensed things are happening. Over in England there’s something called WordUp with events in London and Edinburgh that aren’t covered by WordCamp at all, and I hear they’re doing well.


  10. Ted Clayton


    Until the foundation ceases to be a dictatorship for life then I’m afraid I, like many others, will continue to be wary of it and its motives.

    I ask out of genuine concern…

    Frustrations are understandable, but ‘giving in’ to them can be expensive.

    One can have ‘genuine concern’, yet still indulge in unfortunate rhetoric. Often though, the rest of us must first deal with the adverse elements of the ill-considered rhetoric, while the positive elements in one’s view must take a back seat.

    Being nasty usually trumps being concerned.


  11. Holly Rose

    Over in England there’s something called WordUp with events in London and Edinburgh that aren’t covered by WordCamp at all, and I hear they’re doing well.

    Where in England is Edinburgh?


  12. anonymouse

    Oops. My bad. Started with England, remembered I’d seen some mention of Edinburgh but forgot.

    Must. Type. Slower.


  13. Jon Brown

    Like @alex – while I’d love someone to pay my Meetup.com dues, I’ll be waiting to see what’s inside the gift horse.

    #1 issue for me is maintaing ownership of the group so that 6 month from now when the WP Foundation decides groups can’t charge for meeting attendance to cover venue or food or organizer’s costs and we want a divorce I can go back to the way it was.


  14. Chris Daley

    @Jane Wells

    Jane – Can you add an open comment field to the survey? :)


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