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  1. loganyott

    I would use it if they established an API for plugin developers to handle downloads. If I have to remember auth for a couple of sites to download updates, I’m going to stick with codecanyon instead for paid plugins.

    Take that with a grain of salt though, as I’m pretty much trying to incorporate a sans-paid-plugin philosophy to my site builds. No ability to use package management, no ability to issue PRs to help fix bugs, and no ability to audit code before purchase generally make me avoid paid plugins now.

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  2. My Boring Channel (@myboringchannel)

    Nice idea. Hope you get the submissions you need.

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  3. Brin

    It seems from the submissions page that anybody can submit any type of plugin they like. Is that right? If so, what’s to stop people from submitting badly coded, low-quality plugins?

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    • Steven Gliebe

      It’s not practical to judge the code of every plugin. Since this is not a marketplace where plugins are sold, that won’t be done. Anybody is free to submit as long as they meet the guidelines. The customer can make a quality judgement themselves. There is a reviews feature so I am hoping that will be put to good use. Primarily, though, this is a discovery tool.

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  4. David Gwyer

    An excellent idea. Good luck with the project Steven! I’ll hopefully be submitting some plugins myself in the near future.

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  5. jsmoriss

    So this is supposed to be a directory for commercial plugins, and yet you cannot submit plugins that are not 100% GPL. This seems like an unnecessary restriction.

    js.

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    • stevengliebe.com

      This is for two reasons:

      1. To support the directory’s credibility

      2. The plugins and themes I personally tend to like best happen to be 100% GPL. I don’t know if there is a correlation between quality and willingness to comply with the WordPress Foundation’s opinion, but I suspect there is.

      With that said, this might change depending on what feedback a get. Does anybody else have thoughts on whether a 100% GPL requirement would be a good or a bad thing?

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      • Justin Tadlock

        Using a 100% GPL or GPL-compatible license should be a standard for any WP directory or marketplace. If I were running it, it’s not even a question I’d pose. I’d rather my directory completely fail than to allow people in who violate, if not the license itself, the principles of our open-source community.

        Realistically, I think a 100% GPL license is a good thing. I, and I’m sure many others, would promote such a place.

        At the same time, I don’t think any of this has any bearing on the success of the directory.

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        • David Gwyer

          There are literally thousands of themes now that are 100% GPL compatible. I’m not sure I can think of any ‘advantages’ to not complying with the GPL license.

          Unless you are trying to obfuscate code then anyone can purchase the theme and look through the source code anyway.

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          • Steven Gliebe

            I totally agree. A business using split GPL licensing doesn’t gain an advantage. I think some people worry needlessly about piracy but that happens anyway, and it’s not important. It’s also very feasible to ask people to pay per site to limit updates and support in order to keep costs in check.

            It seems actually that you gain more from going 100% GPL compatible.

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        • Steven Gliebe

          Thanks Justin for your feedback. It really goes a long way to helping me decide what to do and I am certainly leaning towards keeping the strict licensing guidelines I have.

          It may have bearing on the success of the directory. 100% GPL compatible does have its perks as far as getting support from influencers. I mean, this blog itself is owned by Matt Mullenweg and I appreciate the coverage.

          Speaking practically.

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  6. Peter Cralen (@PeterCralen)

    Good job, I hope it will grow up fast with quality of plugins. This is something what I miss long time.
    Good luck

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  7. The Groovy Lab

    Front end is down: http://d.pr/i/JSmv

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  8. Chriss Benitez

    such a great idea, I really hope you get lots of plugins,

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  9. Marcelo

    Congrats for the project Steven, it’s beautifully presented and sorted by topic. Hope you can fullfill the gaps and be sustainable over time. It’s good for the WP ecosystem.
    Best regards

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  10. KTS915

    Very much needed and beautifully presented too! Good luck!

    Just one question: the sticking-point for me with many paid plugins is that they don’t offer a lite (free) version with which I can test out the core code. (In fact, I’ve only ever purchased plugins which have offered a cut-down, free version that I’ve been able to test first.) Will you be encouraging all those who list their plugins with you to do that?

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    • Steven Gliebe

      I’m not encouraging them to offer a lite version but many do. I’m listing plugins that are paid only, freemium / Pro upgrade and those using an extension model — anything with a paid element.

      For paid only plugins, many offer a money back guarantee. Now that is something I am a huge fan of and is worth encouraging.

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  11. discocave

    http://tidyrepo.com/ is my go-to for plugins both paid and free.

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  12. Bob Schecter

    Just what I was looking for. More plugins to buy that will end up unsupported when sales don’t go through the roof or the developer finds something else to fill his day. Excellent!

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    • Steven Gliebe

      It doesn’t sound like you’ve had a very good experience with your plugin providers.

      I don’t think any of the commercial plugins I’ve paid for have been abandoned. A lot of the free ones I’ve used have been. There’s even less incentive to keep developing when you’re paid nothing.

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      • Bob Schecter

        I was speaking to responsibility rather than incentive.

        Whether it’s a commercial plug-in or theme, or a freebie, I ante up, because I’m a proponent of pay-to-play and I appreciate the effort regardless. The only difference to me is that when I get something for free, I give from the heart, while when I pay for something, I give from my wallet and I expect the developer to take some responsibility because the transaction mandates it.

        I am amazed and angry when Envato will have a developer promote something for 6 months and then just abandon it, and then allow that same developer to promote another product. That makes people reticent to purchase from anyone without “numbers”, and those numbers don’t always tell you which is the better product, just which one has sold more. It works similarly in the repository, where great freebies get shunned for the ones with a big following.

        I wish you the best – and perhaps in a few years I’ll come around and take a look. Odds are you won’t be there though. Either because you’ve moved on to another toy, or because there are just too many like me out there. Hope I’m wrong.

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        • Dan Knauss

          Envato is kind of a special case Bob. You tend to get what you pay for, and I’m sure you can see how their model has tended to work. Whether you are buy plugins at Code Canyon or (preferably) anywhere else, take a look at the developer — who are they, what are their creds, what’s their track record, and what are their future goals? Do they even have a personal site or organized company?

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          • WordPress Designer

            Hey Dan: your profile link is dead.

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          • Dan Knauss

            Yeah, I tried to figure out where that link comes from in Gravatar or WP.com a few times in the past. Finally dug it out today in the WP.com profile settings.

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          • Bob Schecter

            Track records for their profile don’t have anything to do with track records for any particular theme. A typical response from a developer has been:

            “Hi Bob,
            It’s simply a matter of low sales so we retired the theme. There’s no known security issues with the theme, so not to worry.”

            That particular theme ran for 7 months before retirement, as he calls it. And he has other successful themes, so upon research, you would say he’s credible. Is that a symptom of the platform? Perhaps. Envato shouldn’t let a developer just “drop” a product. The product should be noted as being retired and then supported for another year, so those who were duped into purchasing it, have time to replace it. Otherwise, it’s just a scam and Envato has become a breeding ground for scammers.

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            • Dan Knauss

              I would never say he’s credible without knowing who he is. I meant you should look at their record and identity outside Envato. When it comes to themes, I would definitely avoid TF with a very few exceptions. You are looking for quality and commitment in the wrong place. And if you assumed you had a contractual right to a year or more of support, you should read the actual terms defining what you get when you buy a theme or plugin. You’re not being scammed; you’re expecting more than you should.

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          • Steven Gliebe

            Similar to Dan, I wouldn’t buy a plugin from Envato unless it was made by someone whom I trust. To be honest, I can think of only one author off the top of my head that I wouldn’t hesitate to buy from on that marketplace.

            What Envato needs to do is charge renewal for continued access to updates. Revenue will give authors more reason to maintain and improve old plugins. No item is going to be a hot seller forever. It’s just a bad model and unfortunately they’ll be charging for support soon, but not updates — a huge mistake because what most people need ongoing is updates, not support. It takes time and therefore costs money to maintain a plugin.

            Outside of that ecosystem, most plugin developers are charging for ongoing updates and support (thank you Easy Digital Downloads). They also seem to me more likely to focus on a few significant projects (or just one) instead of many smaller hit or miss deals like I am seeing on CodeCanyon. The shops outside of CodeCanyon are more likely real businesses, not just a listing on a marketplace.

            I appreciate your well wishes and agree that “Odds are you won’t be there though”. That’s true of every project and every business. Not trying means not succeeding, so I try and while most of my projects have failed, I have been successful at making a living from the ones that have succeeded. You’re motivating me so thank you for that and I hope you will visit Pro Plugin Directory in a couple years. I’m playing the game to win.

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          • KTS915

            @Steven Gliebe,

            This is why it’s so important for developers to offer a free, “lite” version. If everyone were to take your advice, there would be no chance for a new developer to gain a reputation, and thus to have his/her plugins purchased by careful users like Bob and me.

            I know you favor a 30-day money back guarantee, but that just doesn’t cut it. If I don’t know the developer, I’m certainly not going to trust such a “guarantee”. And such a restrictive time period makes it difficult to test the plugin anyway unless building sites is the only thing you do for a living.

            But a developer who offers a lite version gives me a chance to test their work in the manner that suits me best. I have purchased two plugins from CodeCanyon, both of whose developers offered a free version that I could use as I wished, and I am extremely happy with both purchases.

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        • Steven Gliebe

          @KTS915 What advice do you mean?

          I’m a fan of the freemium model. It’s great way both to market a plugin and to gain the trust of users before they buy. I’m also for a money back guarantee. These are both good things to offer.

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          • KTS915

            @Steven Gliebe,

            You wrote: “Similar to Dan, I wouldn’t buy a plugin from Envato unless it was made by someone whom I trust.”

            How does a new developer build up such trust?

            Certainly, having trust in the developer is one way of making a decision, but it’s the code that actually does stuff on my site. So I much prefer to trust the code, and I can do that only if I can test it first.

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          • Steven Gliebe

            Thank you, that’s very true. It’s great to be able to test the code somehow without risking your money. You can test an incomplete copy forever with freemium or the full copy for a period of time with a money back guarantee. Surely the safest thing for the most careful users is both. It is unfortunate that some providers offer neither.

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  13. Alex

    Steven: I love the idea and the fact that you built it. Everyone always wants to wait around for a success before joining in. I have often asked myself why WordPress promotes commercial themes and not plugins, so I can’t be the only one. BTW…I found a very cool plugin that I had no idea existed, sitting in your directory, so thanks!

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    • Steven Gliebe

      Thanks Alex for the encouragement. I’ve been delighted too at the submission of plugins I had no idea existed. There are some really innovative solutions out there waiting to be discovered.

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  14. Bob Schecter

    Fair enough!

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