1. Don

    I would agree with your comments. Today I turned Gutenberg off in order to add a form.

    I installed Gutenberg more than a month ago and it to be pretty good. I even created repeatable blocks and even reused them. I’m a jump-in, early adopter because I figure if the tech is good enough to release I’m going to try it. I figure it’s easier to learn new things as it’s rolled out.

    I have, oh, 15-30 posts created with guttenberg that I will have to fix if turning off guttenberg broke them.

    I’m no developer and have called for help only a few times in almost ten years of simple blogging but the user friendly echo-space adds a feel to WordPress you can’t get elsewhere.

    So, I’m a wptavern and blog follower but have never commented.

    It seems the Gutenberg ui has to be easier when it goes core.



  2. Joseph Dickson

    Thanks for the /image shortcut. I had no idea that was a feature.


    • Dave Warfel

      Just FYI, typing a / as the first character of a new block will allow you to convert it to ANY block, not just an image. Type “/twi” and hit enter and you’ll have yourself a twitter embed block.


    • Jeff Chandler

      I’ve been testing Gutenberg for the past several months and I didn’t know about it either. It certainly speeds up the block creation process but my favorite part is the automatic conversion to another block.


  3. David

    This is the best

    > sometimes feels like I’m going through the junk drawer in the kitchen looking for a utensil.


  4. Jason Adams

    The more I see Gutenberg develop the more I think it could stand to learn a tremendous amount from Notion.so. If that was close to the editing experience of WordPress, I certainly wouldn’t mind!


    • Jeff Chandler

      I’m not familiar with Notion.so but I’ll take your word for it. There’s a bunch of third-party editor apps out there but I usually stick with the WP-Admin. Though the Calypso desktop app for WordPress is pretty darn nice. Super fast too.


  5. David McCan

    it’s a power user shortcut that’s difficult to discover without someone telling you about it

    Getting things done is not always straightforward and Gutenberg is not yet intuitive enough.


    • EyesX

      The funny thing is that most of these nuances has been reported since a long time ago and discarded by the core team even with all the constructive critic attached to the ticket. Most of the time some Automattican enters the ticket and just kills the discussion. I’ve read a lot of tickets at github where this is the case. One example is the discussion over the need to double click to actually publish a post.

      Matt and Automattic (wp.com) already know what they want and will force it on everyone regardless.


      • Bastian

        This is quite frustrating to be honest. Devs constantly say that they want user feedback but when people provide it they ignore it. It’s either “we already discussed this before so we are not going to change it now”, “we are not seeing the use case here”, “we like it this way” or a variation of them.


      • Andre

        I totally forgot about the double click to publish; very annoying as hell. When testing Gutenberg (again), I went to create a new post and went to publish it only to discover it wasn’t published until you clicked a button again.

        @Bastian Many agree with this and it continues to be a very common consensus that the team really does not want feedback, even when feedback is constructive.

        I did a comment on this article https://wptavern.com/gutenberg-3-5-0-released and then later went to github to offer the suggestion and basically the lead dev replied, but in some ways it was basically thanks for dropping by, Ticket Closed.


      • Jeff Chandler

        I have a plugin installed that displays a prompt that confirms if I want to publish a post or page. I’ve been burned in the past by it being one click. Since I have a plugin that does that, I suppose double-clicking the publish button is a hindrance.


  6. Joseph Black

    I was really excited about Gutenberg when I first started seeing news about its development. But since having tried it twice now, I like it less and less. It definitely has a lot of room for improvement before it becomes the new norm. I’m glad I’m not alone in that boat.


  7. קידום אתרים בתל אביב

    Unfortunately, the more time I spend on Gutenberg, the more I dislike it.


  8. Vladimir Djurovic

    Hi, Jeff

    Great job outlining this stuff. I think posts like this help make Gutenberg better.

    My experience with Gutenberg is actually pretty good. I’ve been using it for a while, and I think it’s OK so far. In some aspects it’s better then classic editor, and in some it’s annoying. I’ve actually write a pretty big post as introduction to Gutenberg .

    I actually think Gutenberg will be good for WordPress, once it becomes mature and stable. People complain about it a lot, but they forget it’s still pretty much work in progress. I mean, classic editor has been in development for years, and it has become quite stable. I expect the same to happen with Gutenberg.

    I’ll make sure to share this post. Keep up the good work!


  9. kris

    Gutenberg still does not work in WPMU..

    not good :(


  10. Cindy b

    And I can only imagine the problems and headaches I’ll encounter trying to teach/re-teach my clients how to edit their websites. I am loathing the future.


  11. Andy

    Gutenberg does a lot of things right, but these UX gotchas are killer.

    I almost lost an entire post last week because of the autosave disconnect. (Thankfully I copied/pasted the content of my post into a local .txt file.)

    Block quotes, especially dealing with citations, are problematic as well. I’ve removed citations from quotes only to find them still appearing on the front-end of the site.

    Then, when I look at the source in the HTML Source view, I’ll see the tag is still there, with like one character of the original cited source lingering there even though it’s not visible in the Visual editor view.

    They’re not deal breakers, but they’re annoying enough to throw you out of the writing flow.

    I’m getting into the habit of just writing my work elsewhere — Ulysses, Evernote, Word, whatever — and then using WordPress to stage and publish the content after it’s written and edited.

    That’s a bit much to ask of the average user, though.


    • Jeff Chandler

      Well then, I’m not the only one who ALMOST lost content due to AutoSave. I mentioned this issue to someone and they said that Gutenberg does not use the browser’s LocalStorage when a disconnect happens while the classic editor does. I tried to confirm this by looking through Issues and Trac tickets but I didn’t come up with anything.


  12. Rod Olman

    Look at this review, commented on by Gutenberg PR person Andrew Nevins: https://wordpress.org/support/topic/amazing-leap-backward/

    We already ignore the star ratings, all we’re looking for is feedback for Gutenberg.

    That’s says quite a bit about the Gutenberg train.


  13. Asad

    Gutenberg and the editors in same category (Medium, DropBox Paper, Notion) are very pleasant for writing experience granted you’re willing to learn a few keyboard shortcuts.

    The slash command is awesome. And block transformation keyboard shortcuts would be awesome too (go from list to heading to a blockquote with one shortcut).


  14. Rick H

    I see no reason to install or use Gutenberg. I just want to type my content, add pictures, and publish. I don’t want to mess with blocks, or any such stuff.

    All I have read about Gutenberg is that it will get in the way of what a write wants to do. I have not seen any reason or justification that will indicate that Gutenberg is such a wonderful, second-coming thing.


  15. Juanma Aranda

    Let’s not forget, that with the keyboard shortcuts of the current editor, we can convert a line into a header simply by prepending ## (h2), ### (h3), etc …

    With the current editor, this shortcut does not exist, and some of the shortcuts of Gutenberg that have been devised are almost the same as playing Twister … fingers are missing in the hands to press so many keys at once … awesome!


    • Jason Yingling

      ## and ### converts lines to headings in Gutenberg as well.

      Gutenberg actually has pretty good support for writing in markdown. Like * or 1. to start lists. And — to add a separator. Also > to create a blockquote.

      And my personal favorite “` + enter to add a code block.


  16. Stephen Vaughan

    Just seen two 1 star reviews removed this morning (22nd August 2018). One was a bit critical of page builders but did make valid points. The other was eminently sensible and went into thorough detail where it was problematic.


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