1. Rudd

    I like the idea behind the “conditional” CAPTCHA used in this plugin.


  2. Jeffro

    @Rudd – I’m curious to see how difficult the captcha is and if an actual human being can solve it.


  3. Jan Reimers

    is comment data transferred to a mollom server like akismet does for spamcheck? we cannot use akismet in germany because of some laws against this transferring.

    haven’t watched the video. I’m on mobile. sorry, if it’s mentioned there


  4. Jeffro

    @Jan Reimers – Per their website.

    Websites using Mollom send data they want checked to mollom.com, and Mollom replies with either a spam or ham classification. If Mollom is not certain, it will return an “unsure,” typically prompting websites to ask Mollom’s CAPTCHA server for an audio or visual CAPTCHA challenge to present to the user.

    It certainly seems that way.


  5. JN

    I love mollom under drupal .. what is really missing in wordpress is integration with site contact forms. But it looks like it’ll get there eventually: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/contact-form-7-support-1


  6. Viktoria Michaelis

    @Jan Reimers – I’m rather surprised by this ‘cannot use Akismet in Germany’ comment since I am in Germany and use Akismet on all my WordPress sites. Can you give sources?


  7. Marcus W

    @Viktoria Michaelis – Sounds like the ‘Bundesdatenschutzgesetz’ data protection act might have something to do with it – it places restrictions around the transmission of data from Germany to a third country:



  8. Martin

    Has anyone else been getting lots of random spam through Akismet lately? In have seen a fair a bit over the past 2 months.


  9. Larry Garfield

    @Jeffro – I’ve been using Mollom on Drupal for years. Its conditional captcha is generally quite simple for a real human. I definitely find it easier to read than reCaptcha text.

    Yes, Mollom sends data back to the mothership for filtering. I have no idea what the legal implications are of that in various jurisdictions.

    (No affiliation with Mollom or Acquia; just a long-time user of the free plan on my blog. Mollom is the de-facto standard for a large part of the Drupal world.)


  10. Viktoria Michaelis

    @Marcus W – Unlikely, since the bulk of spam comes from outside Germany anyway – I’ve never had a German language spam or one which originated in Germany – and much of the flow of mails goes over third countries anyway. If there was such a restriction Akismet would know about it and the software wouldn’t be offered with the German-language version of WordPress.


  11. Todd Lahman

    Simple Comments is more effective than Akismet and Mollom, and early next week it will have support for Gravity Forms and Contact Form 7, with more forms coming soon.

    If WP Tavern wants to test out Simple Comments, I’d be happy to give you a trial license. Contact me directly if you’d like to give it a try.



  12. Jan Reimers

    @Viktoria Michaelis – You’ll need an akismet privacy policy + opt-in checkbox where it says that your personalized data will be transferred to the USA. http://blog.wpde.org/2011/04/20/akismet-und-datenschutz-einwilligung-per-opt-in-notwendig.html

    in the german WordPress version you get a warning after activating akismet that it might be illegal in your country


  13. Viktoria Michaelis

    @Jan Reimers – Thanks for that, it certainly hasn’t been well publicized! However, I suspect that a simple indication in the Disclaimer section of most WordPress – or Akismet-enabled – blogs should be enough since the bulk of mail coming in, as spam, is from overseas anyway and gets dumped very quickly and other commenters are opting-in, effectively, by entering their information voluntarily. Including the Datenschutz wording, in German, would be a waste of time for anyone whose blog – as mine – is in English and aimed at the English-speaking Internet user.


  14. Myrddin

    Been using Akismet in Germany since like forever (2006?) and never had any warning and I run multiple wordpress sites. Thanks for the link above with the opt-in.


  15. bheim

    @Jan Reimers – Du könntest Antispam Bee nutzen (von Sergej Müller). Entspricht den deutschen Datenschutzbestimmungen. Ich habe es auf mehreren Instanzen laufen und es funktioniert perfekt.


  16. Ryan Hellyer

    I like seeing more of these services cropping up. Akismet is awesome, but some competition doesn’t hurt :)


  17. Jeffro

    Regarding the data policies, I was configuring the Mollom plugin today and noticed an option called Privacy Policy Link. This is the text for that option: Displays a link to the recommended privacy policy on mollom.com on all protected forms. When disabling this option, you are required to inform visitors about data privacy through other means, as stated in the terms of service. I think this solves the problem and is similar to using Akismet with a personal data policy at least alerting visitors of the types of data transmitted.


  18. sun

    @Jeffro hit the nail – the Mollom service is bound to very strict Belgian/European data privacy policies.

    This is why the Mollom plugin suggests to output a corresponding notice (and link) on protected forms by default, so as to inform and educate users about the privacy of their data, as required by (globally leading) European data privacy laws.
    (The option can be disabled.)

    It’s not clear why other plugins and services (like Akismet, but also Woopra, Google Analytics, etc) are not educating end-users (nor the web site administrator) about data privacy; that should not be an afterthought, as their primary purpose is to process user data.

    Exposing this notice by default and even providing a configuration option appears a bit weird and excessive at first sight – but it feels good that Mollom takes this seriously.


  19. sun

    @Jeffro, any chance for providing a list of installed plugins on WPTavern here? :)

    I’d like to find out which other plugin conflicts and whether we can fix that plugin, or include a dirty stop-gap fix in the Mollom plugin (if necessary).


  20. Jeffro

    I’ve had to temporarily disable the Mollom plugin because it was causing an issue with image verification when there was no way to actually verify the image. I’m trying to determine if it’s a comment plugin conflict or something else. However, Akismet works just fine and has with all the plugins I use.

    @sun – I use the following plugins to enhance my comment form. Basic Comment Quicktags, Filosofo Comments Preview, Simple Comment Editing, Subscribe To Comments, and one small snippet of custom code to provide the ability to reply to comments while automatically linking the replies together.


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