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  1. David Shanske

    I am a contributor to the Webmention plugin and the one who opened the ticket about the addition of Webmention to Core. A major rewrite of the plugin using the WordPress API infrastructure is in beta and will soon go out to the public.

    A companion update to the Semantic Linkbacks plugin, which handles the microformats parsing functionality mentioned above, is also in the works.

    There have been questions about what Webmentions would look like in Core that I would love to have conversations about if there was enough interest. I would invite anyone interested to comment on the Trac Ticket, try the plugins, give feedback on their development. That is how things move forward.

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    • Armin

      I’ve been using the plugin in combination with brid.gy for quite some time now, I can’t imagine blogging without it as it pulls all the likes, comments and more from the various silos into my blog.
      I’d like to use the opportunity to thank you guys for the great work! Unfortunately I don’t have the skills to give much support apart from the very occasional error report, so all I can say is how grateful I am for your work.

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      • David Shanske

        Brid.gy, which is a project of Ryan Barrett, pulls comments, likes, and such from various networks back to your site. It basically converts them into webmentions. It is a great example of how posting on your own site doesn’t mean you have to be cut off from others.

        But being a programmer is not required to be of help. One of the comments we often have is that someone new trying the plugins doesn’t understand what they are supposed to do. Helping someone by answering questions, writing a blog post about how to use them…even submitting feature and documentation suggestions helps too.

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        • Armin

          I have to admit that I kind of muddled my way through, just tried things until it worked. But where I can I’ll certainly try to help. Have already made the odd comment on Github.
          On a related note I’ve noticed that version 3 is now adding a Webmention form to my posts, which is brilliant. Blogging is all about conversations, so hopefully that will help to keep them going.

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  2. Pete

    Yes I wish people were throwing money and attention at people like David Shanske and Matthias Pfefferle. These guys are actually building real tools to build the indie web rather Manton who seems to be building geocities 2.0

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    • Manton Reece

      Hi Pete, thanks for the feedback. I think the work on the Webmention plugin is really important too. Everything is better (including Micro.blog) if more web sites support these protocols. I hope that what I’m doing will encourage many more people to run their own web sites, and there are sections in my book specifically about the IndieWeb and WordPress.

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  3. Chris Aldrich

    I love that Micro.blog is doing so well on Kickstarter! I’m even more impressed that DreamHost is backing this and doubling down in this area.

    I coincidentally happened to have a great conversation yesterday with Jonathan LaCour before I saw the article and we spoke about what DreamHost is doing in the realm of IndieWeb and WordPress. I love their approach and can’t wait to see what comes out of their work and infectious enthusiasm.

    I’m really surprised that WordPress hasn’t more aggressively taken up technologies like Webmention, which is now a W3C recommendation, or micropub and put them directly into core. For the un-initiated, Webmention works much like @mention on Twitter, Medium, Facebook, and others, but is platform independent, which means you can use it to ping any website on the internet that supports it. Imagine if you could reply to someone on Twitter from your WordPress site? Or if you could use Facebook to reply to a post on Medium? (And I mean directly and immediately in the type @mention/hit publish sense, not doing any laborious cut and paste from one platform to another nonsense that one is forced to do now because all the social silos/walled gardens don’t inter-operate nicely, if at all.) Webmention can make all that a reality. Micropub is a platform independent spec that allows one to write standalone web or mobile apps to create publishing interfaces to publish almost any type of content to any platform–think about the hundreds of apps that could publish to Twitter in its early days, now imagine expanding that to being able to use those to publish to any platform anywhere?

    While Twitter has been floundering for a while, WordPress has the structure, ecosystem, and a huge community to completely eat Twitter’s (and even Facebook/ Instagram’s, Medium’s, & etc.) lunch not only in the microblog space, but the larger space which includes blogging, photos, music, video, audio, and social media in general. The one piece they’re missing is a best-in-class integrated feed reader, which, to be honest, is the centerpiece of both Twitter and Facebook’s services. They seem to be 98% readers and 2% dead-simple posting interface while WordPress is 98% posting interface (both more sophisticated/flexible and more complicated), and nearly non-existent (and unbundled) reader.

    WordPress has already got one of the best and most ubiquitous publishing platforms out there (25+% of the web at last count). Slimming down their interface a tad to make it dead simple for my mom to post, or delegating this to UX/UI developers with micropub the way that Twitter allowed in the early days with their open API and the proliferation of apps and interfaces to post to twitter, in addition to Webmentions could create a sea-change in the social space. Quill is a good, yet simple example of an alternate posting interface which I use for posting to WordPress. Another is actually Instagram itself, which I use in conjunction with OwnYourGram which has micropub baked in for posting photos to my site with Instagram’s best-in-class mobile interface. Imagine just a handful of simple mobile apps that could be customized for dead-simple, straightforward publishing to one’s WordPress site for specific post types or content types…

    With extant WordPress plugins, a lot of this is already here, it’s just not evenly distributed yet, to borrow the sentiment from William Gibson.

    For just a few dollars a year, everyday people could more easily truly own all their content and have greater control over their data and their privacy.

    I will note that it has been interesting and exciting seeing the Drupal community stepping on the gas on the Webmention spec (in two different plugins) since the W3C gave it recommendation status earlier this month. This portends great things for the independent web.

    I haven’t been this excited about what the web can bring to the world in a long, long time.

    Originally posted to and syndicated from: http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/27/my-reply-to-micro-blog-project-surges-past-65k-on-kickstarter-gains-backing-from-dreamhost-wordpress-tavern/

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    • Pete

      Agree WordPress should embrace this, maybe a featured plugin, or jetpack.

      However what Manton is doing and raising money for doesn’t seem very indieweb…

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  4. Mark

    It’d be a huge mistake for them not to have an Android app super fast, because less than 20% of all mobile device sales are for Apple products, the remaining 80%+ are firmly Android with a tiny bit of Windows phone stuff.

    Not sure why developers and creators don’t know this, or if they do why they ignore the overwhelming majority of the mobile market right from day one. As the saying goes “shot yourself in the foot.” SMH.

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  5. David Shanske

    Thank you for the compliment. It is always nice to have the encouragement in something you believe in.

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  6. rolf

    Regarding the comment on complexity involved in setting up WordPress: Buying a domain and setting up WordPress at your hoster often means you have to click through a wizard, so I am not sure of how easy it can get. I have done this multiple times, from dreamhost to godaddy, on amazon aws and at a regional hosting company – it has it differences but if you are capable of reading docs sometimes you will get there.

    There is a big crowd being to lazy to go selfhosted and overestimating the network effects of being part of “a bigger community / platform”.

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  7. Miroslav Glavic

    Curious, why not use statusNET/gnusocial for microblogging? feel free to change statusnet/gnusocial to other alternatives.

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