Matt Mullenweg Asks What Drama to Create in 2025, Community Reacts

On Christmas Eve, WordPress co-founder Matt Mullenweg took to Reddit, causing quite a stir by asking what kind of drama he should create in 2025. He posted, “What drama should I create in 2025? I’m very open to suggestions. Should we stop naming releases after jazz musicians and name them after Drake lyrics? Eliminate all dashboard notices? Take over any plugins into core? Change from blue to purple? I think we can brainstorm together and come up with way better things than I could on my own. ☺️ Also, Merry Christmas! 🎄”

The post quickly amassed over 500 comments. However, the community was far from being amused, and a good portion of the replies urged him to stop posting, step down, seek professional help, or take a break and avoid creating any drama. “For someone in your position, creating extraneous drama for these people is not only disrespectful, it’s outright psychopathic to the extent that it affects their ability to work and be productive.”, read one comment from Stubby_Shillelagh.

Redditor WillmanRacing referenced a Sherman Act violation, suggesting sarcastically, “I have a fantastic idea for some drama we can get up to. Why don’t we create a charitable foundation governing our open source software product, instead of our for-profit company. Why don’t we also operate our main website as its own separate entity, with employees and volunteers provided by yet another entity. Then, why dont we have all of these entities take action against one of our competitors and their entire customer base, refusing to do business with any customers until they stop working with our competitor. Why don’t we ban ALL of those people from our services, and try to compel them to use our service instead?” 

Many expressed frustration and hoped for a return to normalcy. One Redditor shared, “I’ve been a huge fan of WordPress for the longest time, and I hate to see all this drama happening. Learning WordPress is actually how I landed my first official programming job. I really hope everything will get back to normal soon.”

Responding to calls for taking a break, Matt quoted Shakespeare’s Macbeth: “Life’s but a walking shadow, A poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

Matt also hinted that some exciting things are on the way. He said, “I’m really excited for people to experience Phase 3 of Gutenberg, things like real-time co-editing done completely peer-to-peer with WebRTC.” 

Another person chimed in, “Matt is doing to WordPress.org what broadcom is doing to VMware. WordPress used to be such a happy place with a rich thriving developer community, but now everyone is scared shitless that Matt will do a rug pull because he feels like it.”

It (WordPress) has a very special place in my heart, as well. I think WordPress’ brightest days are ahead of it.

– Matt Mullenweg

Matt was also criticized for not grasping the gravity of the situation. One Redditor said, “How can you write such a post in a time like this? The WordPress community needs stability and a leadership to trust again. It doesn’t matter if you want to be funny, this is not the right time. Do you think people see this post and think, “yeah, that’s a project I want to contribute to?” Contributors are leaving, even getting banned. Clients are worried. Users looking for alternatives. A court is involved. But your actions don’t really look like you get the seriousness of this. It’s really sad to watch.”

Another Redditor too shared this opinion and Matt replied, “I hope you see how much this is unique to WPE and not something that has happened before or since with others. Silver Lake holds things for 4-6 years and then flips and moves on. Myself and many others are in this for decades. We have seen their type come and go in the past.

When a Redditor asked about choosing Shopify or sticking with WordPress, Matt recommended, “Use WordPress if you value freedom, autonomy, and want to be in complete control of your digital future. Shopify can be expensive but a good proprietary solution if you want to do exactly what they offer and not color outside the lines too much.” Most of Matt’s comments in Reddit were downvoted. 

Some supported Matt’s recent actions. “Thanks for your “drama”. Had it been successful, this would have set the best precedent ever for the all the hyper-capitalist leeches leeching off the free work of others. But everyone is selfish, and short-sighted. They should have taken the opportunity to back you, and dealt with you later, but alas. All fools.”, read one comment.

Another one said, “If you want to make the change you claim you want to see and Matt take a more ethical stance on his business practices, then maybe give WordPress back to the people for free as it was intended. Until then we should appreciate the guy who brought us to the dance. Does not mean we need to like him, more successful people are not liked, something very sad about watching a group of people attack a man who gave 50% of the net to the world for free.”

The community also offered Matt various suggestions, both serious and playful:

  • Provide steady leadership.
  • Listen to the community.
  • Show restraint and consider how his actions affect the rest of the community.
  • Publicly promise that no plugins from the Repo will be taken over.
  • Endorse a successor to WordPress
  • Federate the Repos and take the hosting costs off Automattic.
  • Introduce a built-in way to create a simple contact form 
  • Hand over WordPress.org to a community-run group.
  • Make Gutenberg absolutely awesome.
  • Offer WordPress with three options right out of the box: Classic only, Gutenberg only, or both.
  • Name WordPress releases after meteors/poets/songwriters.
  • Charge $.05 per request to anything at WordPress.org

Regarding the ongoing drama, Matt said, “We’ll look back on the WPE drama next year as something that seemed like a big deal at the time but isn’t that notable in the grand arc of history.”

 He signed off, saying, “I really do enjoy talking with people on the internet, even if we don’t always agree, and I appreciate everyone taking the time to share their perspective. Forums like this is how I got my start as a teenager. If you think Reddit is spicy, you should have seen Usenet and IRC back in the day! I hope you all have an amazing Christmas and very happy new year.”

The discussion spilled over to Twitter, too. Ryan Duff dubbed it “Just another day of very unhealthy and toxic behavior from WordPress co-founder Matt Mullenweg.”

Takis Bouyouris tweeted, “Either Matt has crossed some sort of personal Rubicon, or it is hard to imagine how such pettiness could have been the attribute of one who lead the project for so many years. Being lonely at the top, detached from reality and without healthy consult is a sign of a fading ruler. The Autumn of the Patriarch, by Gabriel García Márquez is a great novel on the topic.” 

Duane Storey tweeted, “Matt looking down at the #WordPress community on Reddit this Christmas eve, wondering why we are all still singing and enjoying ourselves without our WordPress.org toys.”

Kellie Peterson exclaimed, “What fresh hell? This is what Matt Mullenweg is doing on Christmas Eve. He could be spending it with his alleged many godchildren, his mother, and his sister but instead he’s sowing chaos.”

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    • As usual, people create the drama they profess to abhor and wallow in it. Matt clearly is the measured and calm one here but everything he says is seized on by the baying mob.

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    • I sincerely hope that Matt M. was trying—and failing—to be funny, to mock himself for the drama he caused/participated in this year, and that he is not feeling that WordPress is too established to create for him the excitement that I am sure he had as it grew. “Adulting”—a word I hate, but is useful—is hard, and WordPress is there. If it is time for Matt to find new excitement and growth, then maybe he could turn over more of WordPress to others and work on something on the cutting edge, as WordPress was 20 years ago.
      Keep the community feel, the humor, the collegiality, along with stability and maturity needed for a platform so large. (Easier said than done, I am sure!) Looking forward to continuing to expand my personal WordPress knowledge.

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    • Understandably, there’s a lot of tension and legal proceedings happening right now. While I respect Matt’s ability to maintain a sense of humor in the face of this, I can empathize with the feeling of being on the receiving end of criticism, especially when you understand the complexities of the situation.

      I hope he enjoys his holiday completely free from work-related thoughts for the next 15 days. I encourage him to use this time for meditation and return with a refreshed mind. The community truly values his contributions more than they may realize.

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    • Nothing affects me! But if it is free, why so mutch drama? If some charges me to get in a get a plugin, I change to ghost, faster, there is a lot code outdated in the wp, time to work it out? And my wish for 2025: Faster, more speed:) I had wp for 12 years now, before: blogspot, before that i begining: something in sweden called: Online journal on my univeristy:) I stop blogging when they carry me out with my feet first, it is fun:)

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    • “Shopify can be expensive but a good proprietary solution if you want to do exactly what they offer and not color outside the lines too much.”

      That’s like saying WordPress is just for blogs. You can color outside the lines with Shopify very well. A lot of the app developers make the same solutions for Shopify as they do for WooCommerce. The app marketplace is nearly 100% commercial and that means well-supported products. Shopify requires more of app developers. It’s a stable experience.

      I chose Shopify over WooCommerce earlier this year and accomplished what I wanted via a dozen paid apps and some customization to the theme. It probably costs twice what WooCommerce would but the difference between $250/mo and $125/mo is virtually nothing for an e-commerce site and you usually get what you pay for. Zero hosting or maintenance stress with Shopify.

      I could care less if it’s proprietary. It works well.

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      • I don’t know if things have changed but before, when I did some work with Shopify, I found that the plugins were often hosted by the developers and chunks of your site were coming from their servers. And I found they included multiple mb of scripts or fonts or other unoptimised stuff.

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        • They are hosted by the app developers and usually in an iframe in Shopify’s admin area. One thing I like is most apps have in-app chat support. I found the level of support faster and harder working that your typical premium WordPress plugin.

          Since the developers host their apps, prices are higher, but they control the environment whic his nice. Less issues, easier to support. A lot of WordPress issues are server-specific. Optimization of an app or plugin can be good or bad, whether WordPress or Shopify. Depends on the developer.

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    • There is a reason no one laughs at Matt’s jokes except himself: they are not funny.

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    • The plugin takeover and open musings in chat logs about what could be forcefully integrated into WP are what has really unsettled me. It’s clearly his view point that this is acceptable.

      I don’t understand where he is coming from, because he says that wpe should “do the right thing” out of some moral code, even though it is technically allowed and giving back is optional, but has no moral code about taking people’s plugins and hours of work.

      I was obviously mistaken in the idea that the open source aspect was to keep us honest, and share ideas, and check security, and while you were exposed to the fact that technically you could just take whatever you want for your own products there was an expectation that you wouldn’t disrespect the developers work.

      I want this to all be ok, but I can’t figure out where he is coming from, to even figure out if I agree with his world view.

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    • Funny how the entire discussion has shifted to a personal attack on Matt and nobody is looking at how WP Engine is profiting from contributions to the project without giving nothing back.

      Matt can be loosing it or not, couldn’t care less, doesn’t make WP Engine a victim whatsoever.

      Anyhow WordPress is free, so if you dislike it’s leader so much just fork it and do what you feel like it. Oh right! Most are just users (“clients”) that complain because they want something for free and are irritated by the guy that created, maintained and gave it away does something they dislike that may or may not affect them directly.

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    • I used to admire Matt! So many contributors are leaving WordPress. People who worked for over a decade for “free” their work is not being respected. Out of top 10k sites WordPress is 27%, while nextjs is at 19%. Ofcourse Wp is free so unlimited free sites can be added to skew the overall stats. But people who do real business are moving away, the paying clients are leaving WordPress. No drama please focus on basics or we are looking to be wiped out in next 5 years.

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    • What a pain. Matt has taken WP from Classic to Gutenberg and I have more faith in him than in Yoast or any other naysayers. Give the guy a break.

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    • Matt Mullenweg’s comment about “creating drama” for WordPress in 2025 sparked a fascinating conversation within the community, shedding light on the complexities of open-source development and the dynamics of online communities. His words, while seemingly provocative, highlight the tension between innovation and stability that often exists in large platforms. On one hand, Mullenweg’s acknowledgment of the need for attention-grabbing changes resonates with the reality that digital platforms require constant evolution to stay relevant. On the other hand, it’s concerning that drama could be used as a tool for engagement, potentially undermining the values of collaboration and inclusivity that WordPress has championed for years. What stands out to me is the underlying challenge of balancing creativity with respect for the community’s input and maintaining the integrity of a platform that millions rely on. The community’s varied reactions show that while change is inevitable, it should be handled thoughtfully to preserve the core principles of open-source collaboration.

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    • Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2025. WordPress drama for 2025 is more feature than before and more e-commerce plugin will come as woocommerce new competitor.

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