1. Concerned contributor

    How about we don’t have Gary Pendergast an Automattician(!) managing the core merge of an Automattic-developed feature project into a wp.org release led by the CEO of Automattic? The conflicts of interest in this a release process are amazing me.

    Release Lead: Matt Mullenweg, Automattic CEO
    Core Developer managing the merge: Gary Pendergast, Automattic
    5.0 Release Manager: Josepha Haden, Automattic
    Twenty Nineteen Designer: Allan Cole, Automattic

    Gutenberg Leads:
    Accessibility: Matthew MacPherson, Automattic
    Design: Tammie Lister, Automattic
    Development: Matias Ventura, Automattic
    Phase 2 Development: Alexis Lloyd and Riad Benguella, Automattic

    These are all good people, but are they willing to put principle ahead of angering their employer? The accessibility lead said he can’t affect the timeline. Why not??

    In all releases before 5.0 new features went through process with core teams to make sure they followed core standards. 5.0? Automattic decides. Why??


    • Jeff Chandler

      I see what you’re saying but why is this a bad thing? Can you point to instances or situations where having these people in these positions have negatively impacted the project? Automattic is not deciding, Matt Mullenweg is as the project leader.


      • Concerned contributor

        Automattic is not deciding, Matt Mullenweg is as the project leader.

        So Automattic is deciding. Matt is Automattic just as much or more that he’s “the project leader”.

        There isnt the advice and consent there was before. There is decisions that come down from on high and those are the decisions that are chosen. Users are ignored. Accessibility team is ignored. Why??

        Why does Rian have to resign? Why do core developers have their concerns dismissed?? Arent they the ones who approve merges? Where are the checks on this power handed to Gutenberg by Matt Mullenweg, CEO of Automattic??


      • Jessica H.

        It’s a bad thing because WordPress Core is (ostensibly) a non-profit and consensus-driven project built by the collective contributions of the open-source community and not Automattic’s private project.

        Stacking the Gutenberg leadership with paid Automattic employees and ignoring the community’s feedback so blatantly sends the message that Gutenberg is being built for Automattic, 15 years of community and WordPress ideals be danged.

        I actually think Gutenberg is an excellent and much needed addition to the WP ecosystem, but the way it is being forced into Core without achieving any kind of consensus and common ground with the community and without adhering to the inclusive and cooperative ideals that made WP what it is, is deeply concerning.

        I really wish Automattic had built this internally and released it as an ‘official’ plugin like Jetpack. I bet the reception and adoption would have been totally different.

        I believe there is still time to make this work. We just need to return to what made WP great to begin with: community and inclusiveness.


      • fwolf

        @jessica h: sorry, but I think the chance to change things from within WP is long gone by.

        I’ve been watching this train wreck in motion for the last 4 – 5 years, and Gutenberg is just the last straw. Now its either swallowing what Automattic decides = continuing riding a dead horse, or put your tabs on a still living one, eg. one of the forks (ClassicPress and CalmPress).

        cu, w0lf.


      • Vladimir

        Jeff Chandler is also an employee of Automattic as Matt Mullnweg, CEO of Automattic owns the WP Tavern website.


    • Geraldine

      I feel sorry for Matthew MacPherson that he’s been given the job of acting as a mudguard for Matt’s decision to throw people with disabilities under the bus in the quest for greater market-share.

      To become the new accessibility lead, publicly call for an audit, then have the man at the top pull the rug out from beneath you – yikes.

      The development process for Gutenberg has been much more like one for a private company than a community-driven open source project.

      Let’s be honest – most of the important decisions are made in private. Slack channels, Github issues, and ‘Make’ blogs give it the appearance of being more open than it really is.

      Sometimes it seems as though the community is seen as a hindrance by those who really control WordPress.

      I’m pro-Gutenberg, I hope Phase 2 is handled better than this.


    • Another angry contributor

      Agree with this 100%. It’s hard to argue that Gutenberg is anything other than a Automattic run project. The people, the methodology, the governance(!), the lack of clear roadmap or objectives, the technologies, the arbitrary deadlines – the list goes on.

      Making things accessible is a fundamental part of doing our job properly as developers.

      The a11y team have done brilliant work at making it possible for more people to use WordPress, and the fact that the standards that have been put in place are being treated as optional is just not right. It is an embarrassment watching people call the WordPress project out on this.

      If Matt wants to ignore accessibility at Automattic, good luck to him – but let’s not make it harder for people to use open source software that powers 30% of the web (think of it as market share if that helps, Matt).


    • Simplicissimus

      Automattic decides. Why??

      Just follow the money, after 5.0 hits the road…


  2. Rhys C

    I do think that accessability is a very important concern for any project and I think that ideally it would be ready prior to Gberg launch.

    Having said that I think the primary reason the team is focused on an expedited launch is because until it becomes official Gberg will always be a ‘feature plugin’ and the majority of the eco system will not prioritizes it.

    For example a handful of the plugins we commonly use on our client sites are not compatible with Gutenberg. We have lodged support requests with the plugin developers and the response is more or less: “We plan to look at this once Gutenberg becomes official”


    • Ian Hamilton

      It’s a bit more serious than that. There’s no “think” or “very important” or “ideally”. Even human issues aside, In some countries there are explicit legal requirements. Accessibility isn’t an add on or a nice to have.


  3. Scott Bowler

    Gutenberg has been like watching a car crash in slow motion. There have been so many opportunities to listen to the community and make an change in direction, and yet here we are – 31 days to go until the official launch date of WordPress 5.0 and there are still 1,200 outstanding issues on the Gutenberg repository.


    • William Earnhardt

      Issue/ticket count is not a great way to judge a project.

      WordPress has over 6000 open tickets on Trac.


  4. Wouter Postma

    I’m not against Gutenberg (at all), but if it’s not accessible for everyone, they should postpone a release.

    Just having the “Classic Editor” as a fallback (plugin) is wrong. Accessibility should be part of WP:

    WordPress is software designed for everyone, emphasizing accessibility […]


  5. Bastian

    Like someone said in another post, WordPress has sadly shifted from open-source project with a hosted platform to a hosted platform with an open-source option, and now everything is planned according to the wishes and needs of the hosted platform.


    • Tomas M.

      More and more it looks like it is the case… So, hard forks will be justified, accordingly.


    • A WordPress user

      It would be in everyone’s best interests if WordPress were accurately described. It is a product created and distributed by Automattic under an open source license that allows individuals and organizations to freely use the software. If you stop looking at it or calling it a community driven project (as is proving to be the case), the sting of these decisions goes down some.


  6. Steve Pheriche

    I’ve had this niggling thought for a long time. An awkward thought “what is Gutenberg aiming to solve?”. What are the goals, how do we know we have succeeded?
    The official WordPress statement : “The goal is to create a new post and page editing experience that makes it easy for anyone to create rich post layouts”.

    As a badly educated Dev I often ask about goals to find the most elegant solution – because it saves me effort, time and money.

    The core of WP to me is the engine which sits processing code on the server, functions we can call which can be requested by any interface we dream up. The API, and WP CLI will translate any trigger we send from any interface: a visual interface trigger, a haptic trigger, a vocal trigger, … all of these and more.

    The old WP editor was a bad interface for the expanding core functionality and better interfaces DID need to be created – and the API and CLI are now powerful enough to do the grunt work of interfacing with the outside world. I’m sure we’ve all made a headless WP and a mobile phone app test. That seemed to be the future direction.

    So – the official WordPress goal : “to create a new post and page editing experience that makes it easy for anyone to create rich post layouts”.

    That doesn’t say “make a drag and drop page builder” or “make a GUI page builder”. It says the goal is to enable anyone to make rich post layouts”.

    What would be the most cost effective way to achieve that? A better rich post editor for everyone. Personally, for my own business I’d look to see if there’s an existing visual editor using my API that I could license. No need to re-invent the wheel if somebody has made a wheel for my API.

    Then I’d look to build other interfaces suitable for visually impaired, movement impaired. All my work would be on my API, and I’d capitalise on the community to create interfaces to that.

    Instead … and I’m sure I’m the idiot here … the team seem to have focused on building a visual drag and drop block page layout editor which is less good than the competitors. A redundant and costly effort.

    I can’t see how this satisfies the stated kick-off goal elegantly and with lowest cost for highest value return.

    To my mind this project and the goal satisfaction has been led astray by a current WebDev interests in SPAs, modern UI JS libs and trends in JS. I’m sure this looks great ona CV but the project management is … lacking.

    It seems technology led rather than goal led.

    Of course, I’m probably missing something important here. I don’t come from a technical CompSci background. I’m more of a “solutions” kind of person.


  7. Per Søderlind

    A independent a11y review would have been very nice. Being the tech lead for the Norwegian Government WordPress sites, I’ll have to find funding to do a our own review (we’re using https://www.funka.com/en/) before I can introduce Gutenberg to our users. Not sure I’ll be able get the funding in 2019.


  8. Theresa Jennings

    I’m thinking of the number of universities in the US using WP multisite for faculty and staff (like University of California, Irvine), and once this pushes out, unless the university makes the Classic Press plugin as an available plugin, the universities will no longer be in compliance with ADA. I’m not talking about the front end. I’m talking about the content editor. Just when I think I can’t be shocked any more, Automattic pulls this. And the buck stops at Matt’s desk.


  9. Michael

    Great management. The audit isn’t wanted because Matt doesn’t want the results it would yield publicized.


  10. Álvaro Góis

    I just want to add that Gutenberg is a 2017-2018 project. WordPress editor is more than a decade old. It’s not fair nor logical to compare both, as the knowledge and use for people with disabilities has shifted a lot in the last decade.

    The WordPress project has to focus on its mission. If it can’t be accomplished we’re failing.


  11. Dumitru Brinzan

    And “The Wolf of WordPress” series continues.

    I guess we should have paid even more attention to what Automattic was doing with Jetpack… But who knew they would go this far this quickly?

    It’s one thing to downplay criticism from a few developers, but it’s a completely different level of arrogance to sideline millions of people just to meet a corporate deadline.

    I guess an Automattic + Alphabet is as natural and obvious as one can be :\


  12. Rick Gregory

    So, I have a proposal out to a public institution. I need to check but if they require accessibility support then 5.0 is a non-starter.That means 1) Launching and staying on the 4.9 branch until this is fixed or 2) using something else. I’m inclined to simply use something else.


    • Theresa Jennings

      I have a proposal out to a large public institution too, using WP multisite. My client is one of the professors. My sister is a Lecturer SOE there. I’ve been able to ascertain the university will NOT upgrade to 5.0 until they have fully tested it and can confirm that 5.0 is accessible to faculty and staff on the editor side, too, and that it doesn’t have any other bugs.

      That means that any new updates that would also address security issues will not be made, because Automattic has deprioritized accessibility federally required for public institutions.


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