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  1. Matt Mullenweg

    It would be awesome to see some in-person WordPress start to happen again in places like Taiwan or New Zealand.

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  2. Peter Shaw

    Quit the editorialising.

    We don’t live in a nanny state, nor should we aspire too.

    Every time I play rugby I put my health at risk. But I’m aware of the risks , it’s lawful, and it is enjoyable

    In fact people run dangerous events all the time and as long as they disclose the risks to the participants and the event is legal then there is nothing wrong with running it.

    There would be nothing “unconscionable” with running meetups, wordcamps etc as long as the organisers disclosed the risk to participants.

    Informed choice within the law is in fact a good thing

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    • Tobias Zimpel

      There would be nothing “unconscionable” with running meetups, wordcamps etc as long as the organisers disclosed the risk to participants.

      The problem is here that the participants do not only take the risk for themselves, but also put their surroundings and their community at risk.

      And the situation is even worse because people who are willing to participate a large event in the midst of a global pandemic are (at least in my experience) the ones that are in general more open to not following the rules set in place to protect other people – and especially those with a greater risk of severe infections.

      If I were in the community team, I would absolutely not support an in-person event under these circumstances, knowing that the people who participate are largely those who give a damn about protecting others.

      Sorry for my harsh opinion, but I’m absolutely fed up with people believing they would put no one but themselves at risk by giving a fuck about the rules set in place, and the recommendations given by international non-profit organizations.

      I’ve seen people die because people in their families gave a shit about these rules and did not tell their loved ones they participated a large event or meet with everyone without protection, so they could make an informed choice of at least not meeting these people.

      I know a case of 3(!) a..holes having participated a (legal where I live, at least in the summer when it took place) wedding with 50 participants knowing they were tested positive (which in turn is clearly illegal where I live) without any protection and without telling anyone, while the rules clearly say you need to stay at home and not have contact with anybody if you were tested positively. And even if you were tested and still waiting for your results. On that wedding, 48 of the 50participants got infected, and 3 of them died, including the bride.

      So stay! at! home! – if not to protect yourself, then to protect the people you love and the people in your community and maybe work environment who are impacted by your choices.

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    • Francesca

      Every time I play rugby I put my health at risk

      You are absolutely right Peter.
      Do you put your family at risk though? I guess if you get a really bad concussion you do, otherwise, it’s scratches and bruises and it’s only about your health. No one is getting scratches and bruises by being in close contact with you. But this is how a virus spreads.

      Not to mention that in many countries, at least in Europe, there are restrictions to in-person events. The number in Italy is six: they need to live under the same roof or being related.

      @sarah, the reason why the discussion is being brought up now it’s because, in the announcement made in July, the team said they would re-evaluate them for Q1-2021. So nothing odd about the timing, just the team giving updates as promised.

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    • Laic Shobert

      If we allow events to kill people because they consented with the so called risks, then invite the politicians to the discussion: I want to ask why our states for decades do not allow tourism to access nuclear plant without appropriate equipment.🤔 If I consent to the risks involved, why can’t I visit nuclear plants at the weekend, right? Why can’t I allow Google to steal all metadata from me? “If I gave them my consent, they should be able to treat me as much as a product as I want, and not the contrary.”, that’s the line of thought in which your argument is. 😨Why not allow people to jump from planes if they consent? Much more possibilities to euthanasia… You see, I just switched the objects and subjects from your argument: a world of possibilities your argument is not so far from. May the world never reach it, I pray. It is not meetups and wordcamps that need to offer consent. Just wait for the vaccines, if they work: good, as expected. For now, encouraging events rather than encouraging protection from a lethal and uncommon disease is a decision, and the reason why we are eternally sick is because some people lobby for googles, nuclear plants, covid… I don’t know if I was clear enough. I don’t have much time to write. I hope to be readable. I am trying to show you what you didn’t see (because no one sees everything) when saying that ‘running meetups would not be unconscious’. Would be conscious to desires and for the ego, but it would be unconscious to the conscience ruling your body, yes.

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    • Laic Shobert

      And then, when the participants become infected, they will have a respirator tucked in the throat at the hospital, full of tubes, and the other participants will not even be able to visit them at the hospital, if those are their last days. Events may require consents regarding involved risks, but consent regarding death, you wanted to say? The real event is health. Let’s promote it on our bodies while we still have it. It does not need a law, a decree of mayor, or a governor. The concern to take care of ourselves has to be the person’s and not anyone else’s permission. That’s why in some states, currently Meetups are able to be organized, and not in other states (Consciousness is everything). The first vaccines are around the corner, and will allow us to reassess the situation soon.

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      • Timi Wahalahti

        “That’s why in some states, currently Meetups are able to be organized, and not in other states (Consciousness is everything)”

        I want to correct this, that no one gets a wrong understanding here. Currently all WordPress events, Meetups included, are held only online and there’s no state-by-state or country-by-country exceptions to that. That will be the case until Community Team decides and informs something other after the discussions taking place in it’s blog.

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  3. John Mart

    I am sure these will be very warm and emotional moments when they get to plan in-person activities again.

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  4. Jonah Brown

    I’ve quite enjoyed the virtual conferences so far that I’ve been able to engage in.

    Usually these meetups and conferences are in foreign countries that I can’t afford to travel to. I’ve often wonder if these conferences are just elaborate setups. Like are they really necessary and needed.

    So far in 2020 look at how far things have already progressed for WordPress without the necessary need for an in-person event. Like Gutenberg for example and the progress WordPress has made for this year.

    As much as I like to meet people face to face sometimes things are better left to a video presentation for personal viewing. Just my opinion and thoughts on that.

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