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I’d like to suggest a way forward.
Update the terms to access WordPress.org’s servers to throttle limits of traffic and such so that 95% of WP users will never cross it.
Open a premium their for access to updates, plugins and such that starts at 10k / mth and ramps up
Give a ‘we love these sponsors” link to anyone who really donates a significant amount of money and or time
It’s fine with me to add some limits to the resources and add a way to pay for servers and staffing – I run from ‘open source projects’ that promise the world when I know they have not viable way forward anyhow (looking at you ‘unlimited video conversion plugins (kaltura / rtmedia? can’t recall for sure, it’s been so long)
Meta limits open source lama to those companies with over hit 750 million MAU (which I think is too high, I’d make it 1 mill, but it can change too) – this still makes it useful for most and something people can be comfortable building with.
Most web hosts have limits as to what you can do with your ‘open internet’ and even ‘unlimited hosting’ – so this is not a uniquely WP problem or solution seeking.
Put limits on number of website or users or bandwidth or something – make it high – I throw random numbers out having no idea how much anyone involved spends on servers or staff or how many sites or users they have.
Just don’t force me to pay if I have 100 wordpress sites, cuz I can’t and I would look to other solutions.. I would think someone with 10,000 websites would not have no problem pitching in at least something – even $1 / month to help with hosting and such.
Aside from servers and bandwidth, we really do need to support w. org – we need the group keeping an eye on plugins and themes and security therein – let’s not destroy this whole thing because someone wasn’t polite and someone reacted in a way people didn’t like.
No one likes change. Everyone wants things to be better. No one likes change.
Sometimes we need some change to ensure a better future.
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I love the WP Engine Affiliate Blues (Can’t Prove I’m Innocent) by The WP Girls (check it out on Youtube, the link is in this article).
That said, I hate all the rest of this crazy episode. Come on, are you willing to destroy WordPress*, or what?
(*) Sorry, it wasn´t my intention to infringe any trademark. Should I just have written WP? -
Where in the GPL says open source software must have free maintenance services? The wordpress.org gives a great convenience for every WordPress site onwer, not just developers and admins, but also people without any programming skills, to maintain the site with just few button clicking. However, this convenience is not free, but almost all of its users including plugin developers, theme designer, and hosting providers never pay for it. The reason for not paying is never because GPL says so. And no WordPress installation can’t be functioning as the open source code is built for without this maintenance service; many paid plugins and themes don’t use wordpress.org to provide updates, and their businesses are fine. People on the WPE side are only there because they are afraid a giant profiter of this open source software starts to pay for the maintenance service provided by WordPress.org, then they, the smaller profiteers, would end up paying, too
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I really am interested to see how this comes out in court because even after reading every drama summary article that flashes across my feeds… I still gotta say I don’t really understand what is going on.
Is it about revisions being disabled (even though wordpress.com offers its own restricted version of the product)?
Is it about use of trademarks?
Is it about number of hours contributed back to WP dev?
Is it about the amount of resources that WPE customers use on wordpress.org?
And whichever one it is about, is that actually a legal matter or just an annoyance that they are beyond what was envisioned at the start?
Matt seems very sure about it, and I would think that he isn’t suddenly insane. but I don’t know what the crux of it actually is, to try to get my head around it.
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I am not pleased that I’m recovering from a hurricane (Helene) and now I’m being dragged deeper into this mess. I support Matt and WordPress but now it’s starting to harm me directly. I have to move 17 sites on the day I’m prepping to head back to Asheville to volunteer. I’m doing it because I really don’t know what that statement next to the checkbox even means because it’s not clear and there are no terms associated with it. WP Engine can say one thing, but how would a lawyer even know at this poin? It’s uncharted waters with little precedent. This has never happened so it’s all new ground and Matt is now asking all of us to join the strike or pay the price, and he won’t tell us the price of checking thet box is or isn’t. These are games I shouldn’t be part of, that’s for sure.
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Just went and signed in to .org and gladly checked the box.
Thanks to Matt I am able to use the best most open system on the web to use to make a living.
Where would WP be without .org, which is funded and owned Matt (as I understand it).The man’s record of support and innovation for every single person who has ever visited .org is unmatched.
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The situation between WP Engine and Automattic feels like a reality TV show we didn’t sign up for. The new login checkbox only adds fuel to the fire, and it’s tough watching our beloved WordPress community caught in the crossfire. Let’s hope for a resolution soon so we can get back to what truly matters: creating and collaborating.
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It’s all getting a bit too petty. The fact that it’s leaving many sites in jeopardy in terms to updates for ACF, where an awful lot of WordPress users are not even aware of current debacle, speaks volumes of the irresponsible stewardship at the moment.
More telling is the distraction away from the many issues within the software that need addressing in terms of bringing the CMS etc. up to date. Many tricks been missed in making WordPress a platform that many serious developers might want to jump over to.
But I suppose it’s just for blogging and for philosophical publishing… I’ll you mull over that.
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First I thought it was a joke, silly like a Monty Python parody. Now I’m not so sure. It may just be a very simple yet clever way of keeping the ongoing issues at the forefront of the minds of those who use org on a regular basis. While everyone is either; scrambling for clarification / trying to decide whether they need legal representation / wondering what the heck affiliated means in this context / or just nonchalantly checking the box and getting on with stuff, it seems to be having the deliberate effect of causing confusion and at the same time dictating that we should all consider choosing a side, and yes that includes those who weren’t too familiar with or maybe even were previously blissfully unaware of WP Engine. To me it looks Matthew is actively attempting to get rid of anyone who is not willing to side with him, and he figures that a smaller community with 100% allegiance is preferable. Will everyone pick a side? Of course not, but some who previously hadn’t just may now feel like they are being forced to do so. Not saying I agree with it or that I want to take a side, just my tuppence for all it’s worth, and I’m more than willing to change my view if more information presents itself. It’d be interesting to know if this checkbox has in any way impacted on the numbers logging in. A “ton” of logins doesn’t really mean much if we have no comparison to the previous tons.
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Welcome to the late capitalism era. Those who have red Marx should now be able to see how this system approaches near the edge of it’s ability to further bolster progress and development. Right now it is transforming to a kind of neo-feudalism where monopolies and oligopolies have more incentives to receive the rent then to invest in something new and beneficial to the general public.
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Wow, that’s an interesting development with WordPress.org! Adding a mandatory affiliation checkbox seems like a big shift, especially after the WP Engine dispute. It feels like it’s going to impact how users interact with the platform, and I’m curious to see how this plays out for the community. Transparency is key, but I hope it doesn’t create extra hurdles for users trying to access their accounts. Thanks for keeping us updated on this.
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I had to lie to delete my account. Not that I am affiliated with wp engine, but i won’t “ask a lawyer” for something you Matt put on your website. I’m pretty sure not explaining what it means in the details violate several EU laws, not that you care. Anyway, I’m out for good, I won’t risk lying more than once to login in in your pathetic website.
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This situation seems to be escalating quickly and is creating a lot of confusion within the community. The mandatory checkbox feels like a heavy-handed approach, and I can see why many are frustrated. It’s unfortunate that contributors and users are caught in the middle of this conflict.
I agree with Rajendra Zore’s sentiment—it’s time for the community to get the focus it deserves, free from drama. Open source thrives on collaboration, and it feels like this dispute is putting that spirit at risk.
I’m curious to see how this will unfold. Will there be any resolution that allows WP Engine and Automattic to coexist peacefully within the WordPress ecosystem?
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