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I sincerely hope that Matt M. was trying—and failing—to be funny, to mock himself for the drama he caused/participated in this year, and that he is not feeling that WordPress is too established to create for him the excitement that I am sure he had as it grew. “Adulting”—a word I hate, but is useful—is hard, and WordPress is there. If it is time for Matt to find new excitement and growth, then maybe he could turn over more of WordPress to others and work on something on the cutting edge, as WordPress was 20 years ago.
Keep the community feel, the humor, the collegiality, along with stability and maturity needed for a platform so large. (Easier said than done, I am sure!) Looking forward to continuing to expand my personal WordPress knowledge. -
Understandably, there’s a lot of tension and legal proceedings happening right now. While I respect Matt’s ability to maintain a sense of humor in the face of this, I can empathize with the feeling of being on the receiving end of criticism, especially when you understand the complexities of the situation.
I hope he enjoys his holiday completely free from work-related thoughts for the next 15 days. I encourage him to use this time for meditation and return with a refreshed mind. The community truly values his contributions more than they may realize.
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Nothing affects me! But if it is free, why so mutch drama? If some charges me to get in a get a plugin, I change to ghost, faster, there is a lot code outdated in the wp, time to work it out? And my wish for 2025: Faster, more speed:) I had wp for 12 years now, before: blogspot, before that i begining: something in sweden called: Online journal on my univeristy:) I stop blogging when they carry me out with my feet first, it is fun:)
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“Shopify can be expensive but a good proprietary solution if you want to do exactly what they offer and not color outside the lines too much.”
That’s like saying WordPress is just for blogs. You can color outside the lines with Shopify very well. A lot of the app developers make the same solutions for Shopify as they do for WooCommerce. The app marketplace is nearly 100% commercial and that means well-supported products. Shopify requires more of app developers. It’s a stable experience.
I chose Shopify over WooCommerce earlier this year and accomplished what I wanted via a dozen paid apps and some customization to the theme. It probably costs twice what WooCommerce would but the difference between $250/mo and $125/mo is virtually nothing for an e-commerce site and you usually get what you pay for. Zero hosting or maintenance stress with Shopify.
I could care less if it’s proprietary. It works well.
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They are hosted by the app developers and usually in an iframe in Shopify’s admin area. One thing I like is most apps have in-app chat support. I found the level of support faster and harder working that your typical premium WordPress plugin.
Since the developers host their apps, prices are higher, but they control the environment whic his nice. Less issues, easier to support. A lot of WordPress issues are server-specific. Optimization of an app or plugin can be good or bad, whether WordPress or Shopify. Depends on the developer.
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The plugin takeover and open musings in chat logs about what could be forcefully integrated into WP are what has really unsettled me. It’s clearly his view point that this is acceptable.
I don’t understand where he is coming from, because he says that wpe should “do the right thing” out of some moral code, even though it is technically allowed and giving back is optional, but has no moral code about taking people’s plugins and hours of work.
I was obviously mistaken in the idea that the open source aspect was to keep us honest, and share ideas, and check security, and while you were exposed to the fact that technically you could just take whatever you want for your own products there was an expectation that you wouldn’t disrespect the developers work.
I want this to all be ok, but I can’t figure out where he is coming from, to even figure out if I agree with his world view.
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Funny how the entire discussion has shifted to a personal attack on Matt and nobody is looking at how WP Engine is profiting from contributions to the project without giving nothing back.
Matt can be loosing it or not, couldn’t care less, doesn’t make WP Engine a victim whatsoever.
Anyhow WordPress is free, so if you dislike it’s leader so much just fork it and do what you feel like it. Oh right! Most are just users (“clients”) that complain because they want something for free and are irritated by the guy that created, maintained and gave it away does something they dislike that may or may not affect them directly.
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I used to admire Matt! So many contributors are leaving WordPress. People who worked for over a decade for “free” their work is not being respected. Out of top 10k sites WordPress is 27%, while nextjs is at 19%. Ofcourse Wp is free so unlimited free sites can be added to skew the overall stats. But people who do real business are moving away, the paying clients are leaving WordPress. No drama please focus on basics or we are looking to be wiped out in next 5 years.
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Matt Mullenweg’s comment about “creating drama” for WordPress in 2025 sparked a fascinating conversation within the community, shedding light on the complexities of open-source development and the dynamics of online communities. His words, while seemingly provocative, highlight the tension between innovation and stability that often exists in large platforms. On one hand, Mullenweg’s acknowledgment of the need for attention-grabbing changes resonates with the reality that digital platforms require constant evolution to stay relevant. On the other hand, it’s concerning that drama could be used as a tool for engagement, potentially undermining the values of collaboration and inclusivity that WordPress has championed for years. What stands out to me is the underlying challenge of balancing creativity with respect for the community’s input and maintaining the integrity of a platform that millions rely on. The community’s varied reactions show that while change is inevitable, it should be handled thoughtfully to preserve the core principles of open-source collaboration.
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