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Ted Clayton It’s true, Sarah, that Admin-nav sux. I had some regret, neglecting your basically right-on core-point, to firstly counter the suggested medicine of infinite scroll, slash, defend the utility of pagination. Maybe like the offspring who find their Parent’s intelligence mysteriously increasing over the years … Admin-conditions are not near the adversity they used to be, for me. It used to be eg, like in Jeff’s recent post, that Meta-boxes bothered me. Now, I have several times as many Meta inputs (doctors offer plugin-therapy now, but I’ve refused treatment), and the big run-on page full of them doesn’t bother me at all. Let me mention Genealogy. I got to re-know Dad, as he taught me our family tree. (He was a pre-PC Home Computer-based business operator, and gravitated into genealogy software.) There’s over 5,000 names and nearly as many relationships in our GEDCOM. All navigation is via drop-down text-boxes. Five thousand names etc in one ridiculous list. There is something like the Qwerty keyboard-effect at work here. Or maybe it’s an organic Binary Search. But what is plain is the fingers know about how far to jerk the scroll-bar, to drop you … it’s bizarre how often the target-name is among the dozen or so in the box. So I’m in WordPress-admin, and picturing baggy-pants duffers and blue-haired ladies wingin’ through much larger data-sets than most websites, and with nothing like the data-management sophistication, scarcely even aware that what they’re doing should be hard … and in fact drives their computer & Internet-betters up the wall. One of my last Admin hostile-frontiers, is the Media-library interface example you use as a success-story. It’s true I have a slow connection … but the fact is, infinite scroll wants to load-up a gob of images I have absolutely no interest in looking at … ’cause all I want, is to have it upload my one little post-pic. Point #2, which may be more noticeable on a slow connection, is that “infinite scroll” … like the old Saturday Night Live show-opener joke that “This Program has been pre-recorded – because we couldn’t figure out any other way to do it!” … so-called infinite scroll is doing something very like paginating (and disruptively). If pagination is so-yesterday, why is our infinite-presentation device essentially recreating it?? ;) Lastly (for now), why oh why is a space & room-intensive UI like Media coming up in a dainty new-age Dialog Box? Why are we using a subset of the screen, divvied up into tiny postage-stamp content-boxes to navigate …. Matt’s 10s of thousands of photos? Ugh. Forget both pagination and unhinged scrolling … let’s have the Media tool be half as smart as our grandparents’ genealogy program.
Ted Clayton
It’s true, Sarah, that Admin-nav sux. I had some regret, neglecting your basically right-on core-point, to firstly counter the suggested medicine of infinite scroll, slash, defend the utility of pagination.
Maybe like the offspring who find their Parent’s intelligence mysteriously increasing over the years … Admin-conditions are not near the adversity they used to be, for me. It used to be eg, like in Jeff’s recent post, that Meta-boxes bothered me. Now, I have several times as many Meta inputs (doctors offer plugin-therapy now, but I’ve refused treatment), and the big run-on page full of them doesn’t bother me at all.
Let me mention Genealogy. I got to re-know Dad, as he taught me our family tree. (He was a pre-PC Home Computer-based business operator, and gravitated into genealogy software.) There’s over 5,000 names and nearly as many relationships in our GEDCOM. All navigation is via drop-down text-boxes. Five thousand names etc in one ridiculous list.
There is something like the Qwerty keyboard-effect at work here. Or maybe it’s an organic Binary Search. But what is plain is the fingers know about how far to jerk the scroll-bar, to drop you … it’s bizarre how often the target-name is among the dozen or so in the box.
So I’m in WordPress-admin, and picturing baggy-pants duffers and blue-haired ladies wingin’ through much larger data-sets than most websites, and with nothing like the data-management sophistication, scarcely even aware that what they’re doing should be hard … and in fact drives their computer & Internet-betters up the wall.
One of my last Admin hostile-frontiers, is the Media-library interface example you use as a success-story. It’s true I have a slow connection … but the fact is, infinite scroll wants to load-up a gob of images I have absolutely no interest in looking at … ’cause all I want, is to have it upload my one little post-pic.
Point #2, which may be more noticeable on a slow connection, is that “infinite scroll” … like the old Saturday Night Live show-opener joke that “This Program has been pre-recorded – because we couldn’t figure out any other way to do it!” … so-called infinite scroll is doing something very like paginating (and disruptively). If pagination is so-yesterday, why is our infinite-presentation device essentially recreating it?? ;)
Lastly (for now), why oh why is a space & room-intensive UI like Media coming up in a dainty new-age Dialog Box? Why are we using a subset of the screen, divvied up into tiny postage-stamp content-boxes to navigate …. Matt’s 10s of thousands of photos? Ugh.
Forget both pagination and unhinged scrolling … let’s have the Media tool be half as smart as our grandparents’ genealogy program.
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