Great episode. I think it is worth asking these questions about Gutenberg both in terms of the process and the end product.

It's worth noting that Gutenberg is not going live on WordPress.com right away. In other words, those customers are in for a softer landing, despite that fact the the existence of Gutenberg is partially to help that service compete with other popular hosted CMS's.

Mark my words, I suspect that Automattic/WordPress is going to learn an awful lot about it's customer base very soon.

Audio improved, thanks for your efforts!