This resonates a lot with my own thoughts, thanks for this brilliant episode Nathan and for sharing your thoughts Juliette.

I'm employed by a company involved in a 5 For The Future programme, which is great (although I spend more of my 5FTF paid time volunteering on WordPress).

But, as Juliette said, many volunteers involved in initiatives in the WP space are not paid, either part-time or full-time, to contribute to crucial components of what makes WordPress a world-leading system.

I believe that things are moving in the right direction though, people are talking more and more openly about this subject in the community, even if there is still a long way to go...