1. Ted Clayton

    It’s a common experience, to go to a website and find some geekified feature … wagging the dog.

    This is one of the ways that it ‘comes out’, in computers & software, that the person who plays the ‘engineer’ in the field tends to become (or clearly feels he should be) the de facto ‘executive’ or leader & Decider-In-Chief, to a much stronger degree than … normal.

    The infamous character in the TV sit-com All in the Family, Archie Bunker, didn’t need to explain to other family members (or visitors) that the best chair in the living room was HIS. Major computer projects suffer, because too many supporting cast members feel that they have as valid a claim to the Big Chair, as Archie.

    Some will wince at the Archie Bunker metaphor. But those who object most-strongly, invariably are those who will most-benefit. Or know (or should know) that their claim to Leadership & Command is illegitimate.

    It’s good to see here, that Matt Mullenweg continues to recognize that preemptive access to the Big Chair is the key to the whole drama.


  2. Erlend Sogge Heggen

    With regards to transitioning WordPress towards an application framework, what do you, wp devs and enthusiasts, think about moving WordPress on top of an established PHP framework?

    I know it’s come up from time to time, but usually it’s for the wrong reasons and at inopportune times. In fact it’s entirely possible, as evidenced by Drupal 8, which is migrating a lot of its inner workings over to the Symfony framework:

    Some of this technical stuff is beyond me, but the gist of it is as simple as it is beautiful: Less reinventing of the wheel, more common ground and healthy separation of tasks.

    My vote goes to Laravel, purely based on hype and no facts.


  3. Ted Clayton

    @Erlend Sogge Heggen

    [W]hat do you, wp devs and enthusiasts, think about moving WordPress on top of an established PHP framework?

    Myself, I’m not entirely immune to the charms of frameworks. I’ve followed Julian Smart’s wxWidgets, since way back in the wxWindows days.

    Different framework-products come with different assumptions & decisions … each set of which excludes other sets. When Microsoft writes frameworks, we know that the guiding principles prioritize behind their business-goals. When independent developers collaborate on a framework, it is mostly about making the world a safer place for their own chosen activities & lifestyle (rather than those of, say, the users). When educators become enamored with frameworks (yes they do), they tend to glorify pedantry.

    Merely choosing which of the current PHP frameworks to migrate to, would be a major foment, at a large, well-established project like WordPress, using as it does many very loosely-associated developers.

    If Matt Mullenweg was/is enthralled with frameworks, then he could help guide the community that way. Without strong interest & real leadership on his part, it seems like a classic armchair question.

    I would not support a framework-movement, that looked like it would create instability & disarray for WordPress.


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