In reply to mark k..

Yes, a fine example of the famous wordpress developers echo chamber. People say things which are not nice to hear so you make an excuse not to listen (btw, I probably contributed to bbpress before you even knew it existed, but sure I am some anonymous dude.)

There is no growing pains in the wordpress economy. People rightfully think that everything related to wordpress is sub standard, starting with core that is actually proud in people using wordpress on obsolete PHP versions, following junk plugins and themes in both the repository and evanto. Like in any other businesses it takes good marketing and good product to make a good long term company and 99% of attempts fail. This got nothing to do with wordpress itself.