@Jeffro - I guess I'm confused why it would have taken Matt 6 years and counting to make WordPress.org a non-profit if he really wanted to do that. A good friend of mine set up a non-profit in about 9 months without the help of any lawyers etc. I don't see why it would take Matt 6+ years to get it done.

Also, as long as Automattic employees are a majority on the board, dev team or whatever, they'll maintain control no matter what form it takes.

And it doesn't surprise me that Matt would give that response to your question. Why would he say differently? I'm sorry but acting like Automattic's finances don't affect decisions made about WordPress.org is idiotic.

Matt's job is to provide as large of a return for his investors as possible. If he can do something on WordPress.org that improves Automattic's revenue he SHOULD do so or he's doing his investors a dis-service.

The intricate nature of the relationship is exactly why it's an issue and exactly why it's so laughable for Toni to act like there's no conflict of interest and that WordPress.org is a completely separate & independent entity.