@Richard Ginn LOL, yeah Visual Composer themes ...therein lies the problem. But since you went all-in with VC, just stick with it if you don't wish to refactor all your WP5.0 sites. VC will adapt. They have to.

As for Page Building in general, they should be opt-in and/or plugin territory and ALL OF THEM should *now* cater to whatever the heck Gutey is up to--that's a safe bet.

I don't mind if they stay. I want them to--so we can bounce metrics off them. There's always a place for cheap budget pseudo-competition. I'll never lock my clients into a tool I don't believe in. That's stealing from my clients. It's lazy. Quality is a craft, blah blah blah. But the C in CMS stands for "Content" and not "Builder."

The Net is plagued with garbage content. Gar-bagé!!! (screaming with French accent) All this fluff is just perpetuating a demise in the Quality of Digital solutions.

WP is fine where its at (market fit) and has a rare opportunity to dee-stroyyyyyy (epic echo) the "competition" right now. I'm just gonna kick back, light up and watch this all unfold at Ye Ol' Tavern. Cheers!